Are you scared

Growstuff
Who knows, this ‘imaginary’ student may be part of a larger student body who have realised that they have been sold a false promise contrived during a period of high youth unemployment during the 80s. Their job prospects are little if any better with a university education and they have enormous debt that will drag down their income for decades. They can see better opportunities outside academia with equally good income and no student debt.
There is the potential for apprenticeships which are a new initiative but this cannot be pursued until they leave.
Their parents cannot understand their unhappiness and frustration and the vision they have for their futures because they can only see what they have done and are averse to change. When talking to their children its in terms of what they want and their vision with no regard for their child’s valid alternative view of the future.

Not only that, but the child wouldn't be dragging all the others students out too.

I would advise them to think very carefully, to talk to the university and see if whatever they didn't like could be changed. I would ask them to look to their future and think about what would be best for them in the long run. I would strongly advise them against leaving without a plan!

So, GrandmaKT
Would you force your child to remain at university even though he/she may be desperately unhappy and may have aspirations to excel in a non academic field but has not fully formulated his/her pathway. Because it’s what you want them to do?

Totally agree with GrandmaKT, this is exactly how I feel.

Too many blasted MPs are determined to prevent the will of the people being implemented.

I'm fed up of hearing comments like this. If I was an MP and I seriously believed that our country would be very much damaged by Brexit, or course I would do anything I could to stop it. Any MP who acts otherwise has no principles. The will of the people isn't always the best or right thing.

I've been trying to think of a way of explaining how I feel, and it came to me earlier that it is exactly like a parent who has a child doing well at university, studying a subject that is likely to get them a good job when the student suddenly announces that they want to drop out with no plans or prospects for the future.

So have you found a solution to the Irish and Gibraltar issues Gabriella? Or aren't you bothered about them?

...and no. I'm not in the least worried about the aftermath.

I voted Leave and would vote the same way again.
I've read all I need to on the subject without drowning in reams of text.

Yes, I am. It looks as if the country is in melt down and crashing out would be so difficult for so many people. I pray this will be resolved without the destruction of our society.

I feel whatever the outcome of Brexit we will suffer the consequences of this debacle for years to come.

Not worried????

Have you read Yellowhammer which is NOT worst case scenario but base scenario (ie most likely).

You have not seen the Black Swan worst case scenario. Because that would certainly scare you.

Go on then if you believe in fantasies and ignore well informed warnings, jump off that cliff. It's not at all scary (according to you and your fellow fantasists) - but don't take me. my children and grandchildren with you.

morethan2
Not worried by a no deal, but prefer if we leave with an agreement, then once officially out of the EU, onto the next stages of trade deals whilst we get on also with domestic matters which have been let slide over the last three years.

Thank you for your reply SpringChicken. So your comments were irrelevant to Brexit.

Springy Chicken in regard to your post @-19:00 today, undoubtedly there is not a country in the world that has not got or had its problems at this present time or ever.

However, Britain's problems are entirely self-generated from within its own population with no external influences or pressures whatsoever.

In that, those problems derive from one single word, Brexit, which came about by attempting to resolve problems in the Tory Party which dragged this whole nation into that failed resolution.

Will all those MP's who've done sweet f.a. around their constituencies over the past 3+ years suffer from shock when they actually learn that they have to work, if they ever return to normal ?
Not bad getting high wages just for squabbling and falling asleep. Shameful lot. None of them give a toss about their constituents.

gillybob posts-

"I voted remain too morethan but now just wish they’d get on with it . I think this level of uncertainty is causing more harm than the actual leaving might do"

I think,she speaks for many, especially business people who have been suffering from the uncertainty.

However jillybob and so many others need to be reminded that if brexit is allowed to happen, that would not remove the uncertainty because we would then have to face umpteen years of uncertanity over trade deals as the UK would be out in the cold, trying to negotiate at a huge disadvantage because the whole world would have us over a barrel, knowing we would be utterly desperate.

The only way that business people can have any certainty in the foreseeable future is if we Revoke Article 50 and Remain in the EU.

Then you would all know where you are - in the same good position as we are now as full members of the European Union.

I was merely pointing out to morethan2 that other countries are not without problems and giving a few examples. Nothing more.

morethan2
I'll keep it short ?
I've never had a moments doubt.

I don't understand why Brexit improves the UK's situation in the context of financial problems in Germany, Spain and Greece.

I'm sure SpringyChicken will be back to explain (or not).

Don't you care about Northern Ireland or Gibraltar Hetty?

I'm not personally scared, but I fear the future of my country, which isn't the same at all.

It can't be "over and done with" even with Johnson's best efforts.

Negotiations will continue for years if not decades.

a NO DEAL Brexit will we a disaster on many fronts -just read Yellowhammer imho just Brexit is awful We are concerned that drug shortages will be a problem for us with PD and Diabetes meds already in short supply I fear a resurrgenge of the troubles in Northern Ireland

I voted to leave and I'm not scared at all - if it ever happens!

Springy Chicken Quote [If it's any consolation, Morethan2, Germany is on the brink of recession, Greece and Italy's economies are in hell of a state, Spain's unemployment is about 14.7% , (Spain's youth unemployment is 30+%).] End Quote.

Springy Chicken in regard to your above post, could you please inform me how all the above problems in European Union member states makes Britains leaving the EU better.

Surely if the EU were to fall into recession then as the worlds largest trading block that would impact on all world trade and make Brexit even more difficult.

Britain and the whole world needs a strong European Union to act as a benefit for all

Not in the slightest bit scared.

I like millions of others just want it over and done with.

I have a horrible feeling though that it isn’t going to happen despite Boris’s best efforts.

Too many blasted MPs are determined to prevent the will of the people being implemented.