Are you scared

luckyrose62 (Mon 16-Sep-19 13:29:47)
I am not scared of the outcome of brexit

Do please tell us what will be so good. You must know by now it will take us years to recover (even JRM agree with that) so what balances that for you?

I'm concerned by those who are so enamoured by Brexit that they are blind to the problems of Ireland, Gibraltar and citizens' rights.

Petra I know I have posted about those, but some are so enamoured by the EU that they are blind to the corruption!!!

GranyGravy
And the Polish commissioner.
And the French Commissioner.

From the EUObserver

morethan2 I have same concerns as you plus the fact that all this is fueling the likelihood of Scottish independence which is hugely concerning. Sadly the Union Jack that the Brexiteers are flying just now is likely to lose its blue. People who yearn for the good old days will find a very different future I fear.

I am more scared that another EU commissioner is being investigated for fraud and corruption.........he is the Justice Commissioner?????

Those of you posting that they "just want it over and done with" do realise don't you that if we leave without deal on 31st October, it will be far from over? It will just be the beginning. So why not get it right?

morethan2 you have neatly and concisely summed up how I feel, and don't do yourself down by saying you are not clever; the people who are supposed to be clever, our representatives have not made a particularly good job of it have they?

I am not scared of the outcome of brexit
I am scared about the people that are running our country and even the ones that want to run it and ex pm’s should be exiled to a place of non privilege

I wish I was clever but I’m not and I haven’t the time to look at all the very complicated ins and outs of brexit. I can’t back up my fears or opinions with references. My post was really asking about the fears of people like me.
I’m concerned about a recession and price rises affect ordinary working people
I’m concerned about the loss of working rights again mostly affecting the poor
I’m concerned about Ireland hard boarder and going back into the troubles.
My mostly selfish one is jamming the m20 by boarder
controls and by the furious French fishermen if we refuse them access to our waters.
I’m concerned about E.U citizens not wanting to stay. I feel lots of our public services are reliant on these well educated people.
I’m doing my best to have enough trust in our government to make sure medicines can be accessed for those who are reliant on them.
I’m not too worried about European countries who sell us vast amounts of goods. I think they will be forced to come some sort of deal. They won’t want their own people to suffer surely?
I’m not worried about public unrest or rioting.

What I really don’t understand is if brexiting is going to be such an unmitigated disaster why would any politicians want that to be their legacy.
Don’t ask me to back up any of this because I can’t. It’s just what I gleaned from listening to the news and ordinary leavers and remainers and mulled over in my own way.

And I am still waiting for what exciting things some GN posters are anticipating after Brexit..........resounding silence, or maybe they are looking back at some of my other posts to pick me up on something, or accuse me of inaccuracy......I expect the list of exciting things is about as long as the list of reasons they had for voting leave in the first place.

I’m still trying to work out the many & various reasons why voted leave. I’m currently reading Fintan O’Toole’s ‘Heroic Failure - Brexit & the Politics of Pain’. It’s fascinating stuff.

Unfortunately we are still in the throes of Brexit, still a divided and unhappy nation I think. And I agree with Ginny42. We can’t be bored, it’s too important.

Regarding Saggi's post about the millennium crisis - this crisis was averted because many IT professionals worked around the clock to solve the problem.

We can't afford to be bored. As grandparents we have to stay focused and alert to the problems e.g. those detailed in 'yellowhammer' and the impact of cutting ourselves off from the EU, for the sake of all young people and especially for the future of our grandchildren. Head-in-the sand isn't an option. To do that you are creating a very ignorant ostrich.

Granless this juvenile, who sees himself as the personification of the Incredible Hulk, is unfit to be representing us in the negotiations. What do the stalwart Tories think of that image I wonder? Oh, what a cad he is!

Now his former friend Cameron has nailed it - Johnson made his choice to further his career. He truly doesn't care what happens now he's made it to be PM. The sooner he and his girlfriend are out of No 10 the better.

Snap Margs, bored silly now. Back to basics. What do politicians and governments do? They try to convince us that they'll 'save' us from disasters! All nonsense.

Not scared at all and have got to the point where I don't care if we leave or not. I'm just bored, bored, bored, BORED!

Granless do you have any sense of what the good things are about being a part of the EU? I would be interested to know if those who just want "the man to get on with it" are aware of what we will be giving up. Many speak as if it's all bad; it obviously isn't or we wouldn't have joined but do you know what you are giving up to have your wish to leave?

Could we know what leavers see as the positives of the EU, just as the remainders have agreed there are negatives.

I wonder if most of them will reappear on GN.

Yesterday I asked those who had posted that they were 'excited' about leaving if they could quantify this excitement. Apart from a couple of people ripping into me, accusing me of scaremongering and hysteria, nobody has yet had the courtesy of answering my question. So, I will ask again, what is it that you are looking forward to/are excited about?

Quite apart from the fact that the fraudulent referendum was won by lies, cheating and foreign interference, it was totally absurd to ask for a simple yes/no answer to a very complicated question.

Granless The issue is that no attempt has been made to sort out the Irish border or citizens' rights. That's why Priti Patel can lie through her teeth about the rights of EU citizens (as she did on Marr yesterday). That's what the so-called "deal" is all about and why people are giving the government a hard time. It's not undemocratic to insist that the government acts in a way it promised with regards to Ireland and citizens' rights, which are no more nor less democratic than enforcing the result of the referendum itself.

Some people (including me) were asking before the referendum how these issues would be resolved. Then, as now, people just didn't seem to care. They just shrugged their shoulders and claimed it was somebody else's responsibility, which makes a mockery of any claim to democratic rights.

I pop in occasionally here with no much to say really. I do have an opinion though.

Just let the man get on with the job in hand. He’s being given a hard time by the ‘remainers’ who didn’t like the referendum result - so are doing everything they can to overturn it. To me (who has a simple mind) that sounds very undemocratic.