Are you scared

Bridgeit Did a handsome prince come along to wake you up?

The sky isn't going to fall in on 1 November and I can almost see the headlines now..."See! We told you it was all scaremongering".

With a bit of luck, many of the immediate problems will have been mitigated (although I'm not holding my breath). The problems will come in the weeks, months and years which follow. Jobs will be lost and families are going to be disrupted. The whole thing has cost the country billions, which is money not available for other purposes. Our whole system has been thrown into doubt by all the liars and disregarding the law.

I don't have a crystal ball, but I know enough history to know that the seeds have been sown for major social, political and economic upheaval in the years to come.

I assume you do realise that there will have to be some kind of deal at some stage, unless we're going to remain isolated from the our nearest neighbours forever. Further negotiations can't take place until the issues of the Irish border, citizens' rights and the "divorce" payment are sorted.

Negotiations are going to take years to complete and we can't even start until there is an agreement (deal). Until then, we have to trade with the EU on WTO terms, which will inevitably mean price instability and disruptions to "just in time" logistics. It will also mean uncertainty for UK citizens living in the EU and EU citizens in the UK. At the very least, UK citizens in the EU will have to pay for their own healthcare. There is only one country in the world - and no major economy - which doesn't have agreements with any other country.

There really is no such thing as a "clean break". That's not scaremongering - it's a fact. Meanwhile, Gibraltar will be almost paralysed and I hate to think what might happen in Ireland.

None of the scaremongering came to pass, ! ?have I missed something is Brexit all done & dusted ?
Perhaps I fell asleep and missed a few years.

I am with Morethan2. I also voted remain & have done my best to accept democratic vote. I have stupidly worried about the Brexit fiasco to the extent that it has at times affected my sleep. And there’s not much I can do about it really.

And I still don’t fully understand why so many voted to leave. Nor do I understand the benefits of leaving.

I worry about my money not stretching far enough, about the situation with medications etc But I’m told not to be silly. Well we’ll soon find out I guess.

I live in Northern Ireland 20 minutes from the border. I voted remain and I am very worried about a no deal.

Dinahmo

"Yet another one who thinks that the millenium disaster didn't happen. You are right in that respect but, thousands of computer specialists the world over worked to ensure that it didn't. This has been said so many times. On one of the other threads a poster confirmed my view as her DH was one of those specialists.

Sadly there aren't thousands of specialists working to ensure that Brexit won't be a disaster."

This tired old reason is completely untrue. Russia, along with other countries did absolutely nothing with regard to the Y2K. And nothing happened.

So enough with that incorrect old chestnut

www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/Y2K-bug/

""Countries such as Italy, Russia, and South Korea had done little to prepare for Y2K. They had no more technological problems than those countries, like the U.S., that spent millions of dollars to combat the problem.

Due to the lack of results, many people dismissed the Y2K bug as a hoax or an end-of-the-world cult.""

I note that many people who voted Brexit, citing 'getting back control' and 'democracy' as their reasons, are hell bent on denying the huge number of people who did not vote for this debacle their representation. If, as many have said, MPs should represent their constituents who voted leave, why do they pillory and make appalling accusations of treason against those MPs who are representing their remain constituents? What about the rest of us, do we not count?

For me, the question of a deal didn't exist

Exactly, Jillybird.

The appalling deal we now have from the EU has been rejected three times by parliament. So that is dead in the water and the EU has said time and time again, "take it or leave it" - which is fair enough.

Remainers in parliament KNOW the most obvious option is No Deal when we leave. Three years hasn't given us an acceptable deal, so why prevaricate? I believe Remainers are stalling in the hope that Brexit doesn't happen.

They must know it has to happen, so we really do need to break all ties, for the sake of businesses ready to move on, free of the EU. Most have made provision for the transition and the changes which will invariably happen, and their EU counterparts have done the same and feel the same way.

Look at the Remainer hysteria and doom and gloom before the vote! None of the scaremongering predictions - that's what they were, predictions - came to pass. It was embarrassing, given the lofty position of some of these doom-mongers.

There will be a period of transition, naturally, but if we were out now, as we should have been, we would have been moving forward and ascertaining the future in terms of supplies, needs, and further trade deals, including one I am sure we will make with the EU, on terms favourable to the UK and not just Brussels.

Remainer delaying tactics are the most worrying part of the whole thing. Boris has attempted to break the dead-lock, and rightly so.

He has gone up in the estimation of so many people I know, including Remainer friends, who also feel it is crucial that we move on. THEY are exasperated by yet more attempts by Remainer MPs/Gina Miller/John Major, et al, to involve the courts in a desperate attempt to stop Brexit happening.

It's despicable.

This plays right into Marxist Labour hands - destabilisation and chaos suits them down to the ground -and it suits them to prolong frustrating delays. No wonder Eurosceptic Corbyn changed sides and became a Remainer overnight!

We can face the future and we will do it and overcome the inevitable teething problems - so let's make a start sooner rather than later and get out of the EU and move forwards on to better things.

If “ taking back control” is why people voted to leave, you have only to look at the state of our political leaders and parliament over the last three years, and especially the last three weeks, to have major concerns about their ability to manage to work in the best interests of the country.

Brexit is not a one day event. Negotiations will be ongoing for some time. N. Ireland and Gibraltar are major issues. Trade deals will need to be made. Many other areas eg security, research, need to be worked out.
Who can be trusted to get things sorted?

Nanniejc I'm interested in why you felt you had a weight taken off your shoulder. In what way do you feel that the EU literally oppresses you?

It's never gonna be over unless it doesn't happen. There is no workable solution to Brexit. It's one of the worst things that has ever happened to our country. I despair for the future and what will become of us after this fiasco. This is the worst Tory government we have ever had. They've made us the laughing stock of Europe.

I agree polnan Sun 15-Sep-19 10:57:48
Peonyrose Sun 15-Sep-19 13:58:08

By the way, I will never feel the same about France's treatment of us. Look how many members of Zparluament have second home, whose family work in Strasburg, Kinnocks a prime example, does it surprise anyone they don't want Brexit, the salaries they earn cannot be matched anywhere. A friend of mine a Lawyer whose daughter is a lawyer in Strasberg, said her daughter was frantic before the vote because her second home would have had to go if we voted leave, as would her free child care, maternity nurse and benifits only dream of. Sorry in bad acne for the typos on this ancient device.

Saggi - that did make me laugh! How very true!

Irrespective of whether one voted remain or leave. The law has not been followed. I hope this those that constantly block justice, lose their livliehood, they are supposed to be serving us and not themselves. Leave without a deal. We will deal with it. The ones that can't cope can hide until the rest sort it.l

And it is not true.

Any kind of brexit will damage the UK far far more than any other country.

Some EU countries such as Ireland, Belgium and the Netherlands would suffer more than others, but none anything like as much as the UK.

If brexit is not stopped it will be the most appalling act of willful national self harm and the damage also inflicted on our neighbours would hardly encourage them to treat us at all favourably in any future trade negotiations.

I feel like I have just gone into an alternative universe reading this thread. Why are people looking forward to this? Where do you live that you are assuming you will be immune to the very real problems if we crash out? Do you not care a fig for the people in Ireland? Probably not.

I notice the term ‘Europe has as much to loose as we do ‘
Think about that sentence for a moment.
Doesn’t bode well or inspire confidence in leaving

I’m excited too Jillybird ,can’t wait......Sick of all the scaremongering .The day after the vote came through I felt as if I had a weight taken off of my shoulders & had a spring in my step,walked to the local shop & everyone I spoke to felt the same ,had a really good feeling about our future & life in general.Wish they would just get on with it & let Boris do the business.......far better than having Corbyn in power.If Boris fails the Conservatives will be finished & the Brexit Party will flourish!!!!!

Hi - I’m new to gransnet but have to comment on this one! I’m in agreement with varian, please don’t take my children and grandchildren with you when you jump off the ‘I’m not worried’ cliff. Nobody has explained why they are not worried or what they think the benefits will be- when the drawbacks are patently obvious. What about Ireland? Don’t you care? I would really like to know what people thought they were voting for when they voted leave. Surely, the information available now must have brought some clarity?

e EU isn't so callous it will deprive people of those?

You talk about the EU as if it was one person making a nasty decision. It isn't. It is a set of rules an regulations that we would have chosen not to be part of. Even if every relaxation of the rules took place and we had a confidence "bounce" for a period of a couple of weeks, at some point the lorries will have to have the right paperwork, etc., the system will be slowed down and JIT will cease to work as it does currently. It doesn't help to anthropomorphise countries and laws.

I voted leave and I am very optimistic over the future. If you look at the queues from the opposite direction I think you'll find the that Europe may be in as heavily impacted as we may be. My cousin posted a speech on FB from the leader of the German opposition party in their parliament saying it was crazy to freeze the UK out s we had been a good ally with Germany in standing against France. Plus around 25% of German cars are sold in the UK and Airbus planes are assembled in Hamburg (I think) with a workforce of 14,000. However, the wings are manufactured in Wales and extra tariffs and delays will/may impact the German workforce. Plus, look at the European products sold here. I know I buy French/German/Italian etc wines, cheeses, food products. I'm not denying there will be difficulties but the EC has as much to lose as we do so it would make sense to come to a sensible deal.
Plus the speech in the German parliament I mentioned earlier - the leader of the opposition stated that JC Junker had said he would make the terms so difficult for us the UK would come crawling on their knees to beg to have Brexit cancelled. To be honest, there was a shout of unsubstantiated from the benches (not sure which) but I'm pretty sure we all have something to lose so a deal of some kind makes sense.

There is no point in being scared, what will be will be and we'll have to cope somehow.
The politicians will be shielded from hardships as they always are.
I voted remain but would just like to see it done now.The majority voted to leave so we have to go with that.
Whatever happens at least 48% of the people will be fed up.

I voted to leave, the EU is in tatters with a large majority of its members either bankrupt or in recession and the UK has bailed them out for long enough. We make the highest contributions of any country in there and that money should be invested back into the UK hospitals, transports etc. Trade deals are already being struck with countries we were prevented from trading with previously, we can take back our fishing rights which have decimated our industry and take control of our immigration etc. It's not going to be easy I won't deny that, but in the long run the billions of pounds we pay every year will come back to us and the countries we have to bail out will have to stand on their own two feet. I don't have any political association either, they've all made a complete hash of it but I will be glad when it's sorted.

I voted against joining in the first place and look forward to leaving, deal or no deal.