Are you scared

icanhandthemback We are now and have been for hundreds of years a sovereign nation. The EU does not control our parliament or our lawmakers. The European Court of Justice exists to ensure that EU countries and institutions abide by EU laws.

For example Italy has recently been before the court for its failure to prevent the spread of Xylella fastidiosa bacterium which causes disease in a wide range of plants. There have been widespread outbreaks of the disease in Europe but it hasn't reached the UK yet.

There have been several Court rulings connected to employment, most of which benefit the employee. Whilst TM said that these rules would be enshrined in UK law, it is unlikely that Johnson would ensure this would happen. After all, as someone else in a different thread has pointed out, the extreme right want a low wage, relaxed rules economy a bit like Singapore.

Don't forget that the majority of the UK population are, have been or will be employees rather than employers.

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Hubby and I are definitely worried. With no deal, I envisage the country going into a deep recession, worse than any previous one, as there will also be shortages of essential medications, leading to people dying.

I can’t help but roll my eyes at comments like we need to “just get it done now”. Leaving without a deal will not ‘get it done’, not even close. In addition to all of the awful problems associated with crashing out, protracted negotiations over trade etc, will begin again and go on for years!

I am concerned (as a remainer) and having read Yellowhammer (including knowing the contents of the blacked out part), plus many other pieces of info regarding food & medicines shortages etc etc. BUT I'm feeling a bit better now knowing that the law has just been changed to get a 'no deal' Brexit off the table. I am glad that the MP's did what they did to try and prevent us from crashing out of the EU without a deal. I am with Varian on this.

An MP has no superhuman powers.

No they don't but we choose them to represent us and the have the resources and time to (generally) gain more of an understanding than we can. The democracy we have does not seem to be the one many want but that doesn't change it into any other type of democracy. The last time the actual "will of the people" was assessed was at the last election, when we ended up with a government that could only take us out of the EU if more than the MPs in the governing party voted for it. They haven't and the won't and the actually do represent "the will of the people" under our constitution.

I do fear for the future of our country definitely

The average net contribution by the UK to the EU between 2012 and 2016 was 8.1 billion (ie 8,100,000,000) Using a population of 66 million that works out at £123 per person per annum. Not a lot (for most people) I would have thought,

If it's any consolation, Morethan2, Germany is on the brink of recession, ...

SpringyChicken your post was just string of statements repeated from the right-wing, pro-leave press. Could you explain why, for instance, your first doom-laden suggestion should make anyone feel any better?

Yes, Germany may be on the verge of a recession but it is not caused by any structural problems within the German economy but by the trade wars created by D. Trump in th USA. These same trade wars could/are affecting our own economy. In Germany they will almost certainly start spending thus loosening their zero budget deficit policy. I have no doubt, personally, that this will be well thought out and carefully applied. When I look at our own government of charlatans and liars I do not have the same confidence.

Germans haven’t felt too much pain from weakening demand for the country’s export goods, especially cars and machinery. Unemployment dropped to a record low of 3.1 percent at the end of June on the back of a healthy services sector and domestic demand. **

So perhaps you could go through your reasons to feel confident about leaving the EU SpringyChicken and give a reasoned explanation why you feel that should be the case for each of them. Otherwise, I'm afraid I for one will actually feel less secure that my future depends on the votes of people who read and repeat that sort of claptrap - but I am sure you can put my mind at rest.

** www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-08-14/germany-needs-a-recession-to-start-spending

I agree with Rosina and GabriellaG54. I voted to leave. Politicians have let us down since the democratic vote and failed to implement changes or negotiate from a position of strength. For years they've hidden behind the EU - taking credit when things go well and blaming the EU when it doesn't! They are very weak inept individuals and the situation has exposed this very clearly. Most of the MPs are remainers and that is why they are constantly delaying any form of agreement. They are greedy, self-serving individuals who care little for ordinary folk and their troubles/concerns.

Anagram of Yellowhammer is Orwell Mayhem..........!

Saggi

Yet another one who thinks that the millenium disaster didn't happen. You are right in that respect but, thousands of computer specialists the world over worked to ensure that it didn't. This has been said so many times. On one of the other threads a poster confirmed my view as her DH was one of those specialists.

Sadly there aren't thousands of specialists working to ensure that Brexit won't be a disaster.

Most sensible people would not give notice to quit their job until they have another job lined up.

This brexit nonsense has only ever been about leaving with absolutely no idea what happens next.

I'm scared, disappointed and very depressed about the outcome.

If the government had 'got us out' straightaway after Britain had voted out,instead of trying to change it to what THEY wanted then by now we might be finding our feet as a stand alone nation.You don't,for example,give notice on a job to leave in 3yrs time do you? You give a month or 2s notice then do it!Its all become a bit ridiculous,its not the descision,but the feet-dragging & excuses thats made us a laughing stock and politicians who have no back bone! Theresa may always looked like a rabbit caught in headlights to me.

Not at all scared.

EllanVannin, I'm interested in your comment that no MP's care a damn for their constituents. There must be some principled MPs who do. I wrote to Yvette Cooper, one such I believed, who I've always admired ( She isn't my MP). I never got a reply. I'd like to believe my letter went astray: or doesn't she give a damn what voters think?

No not scared. We democratically voted to leave. No Deal is an excellent bargaining tool, and if it comes to that, we will be fine. The Government Remainers have scuppered everything in an attempt to stay in, against the Democratic vote. They are feeding panic and dread. Remember the Millenium Bug ?. Just the same and nothing happened! There will be adjustments to be made, no doubt. But it will be fine !

grandtanteJE65‐ nice to hear a comment from 'the other side of the coin' too so to speak.

I really don't get "the people have spoken" mantra trotted out. Dr, yes they may have THREE YEARS ago. We now know all the flannel from the Leave side was bare faced lies and yet we aren't allowed another say? Theresa May kept taking her deal to MPs for numerous votes because she didn't get what she wanted. Johnson has had his appeal for a general election voted down 3 times , how come they get multiple votes and "the people" have to abide by a flawed vote? We can have a general election but not another EU vote? I don't get it I must be really really stupid, or being taken for being stupid.

Funny how all the bigwigs donating to Leave & Brexit parties wanting us out happen to be millionaires or billionaires isn't it? Or is that just a coincidence?

A big chunk of the 'real people' of this country have been in hardship for years already.thanks to universal credit,bedroom tax,cuts in benefits,privatisation,and every other way each government tries to claw back some of the 'benefits'& tax credits' they've handed out- which were meant to help,but they've since revoked.A bit more austerity will not make a huge difference.in fact if we have to rebuild our our own buisnesses/ trades it might help that.

I think the Road Haulage Industry may be a little over-confident. By postponing Brexit to the 31st October British politicians have given us time in Denmark to employ more people in Customs and Excise and to extend parking facilities in Esbjerg (the port that handles most traffic to and from Britain for long-distance haulage lorries going to, or coming from Great Britain) so it is unlikely that the Danish authorities will just let vehicles to and from Britain carry on as before once Brexit goes through. Other Danish harbours have measures in place too.

Germany is not as far up to date as we are, fine for Esbjerg, which after all was built to deal with Danish exports and imports to Britain when we lost Altona in 1864.

Antwerp and Rotterdam are no doubt addressing the matter too. Last year when Lloyds of London moved their continental shipping insurance to Antwerp, Belgium and the Netherlands got cracking on Brexit precautions.

I haven`t read all these posts

I voted leave.. I have never had any doubts, my only doubts now is that our MP`s are not capable,,
so it is about time that we had some truly "honourable" MP`s.
and I do think the Lords should be abolished, well the system. abused over the years,,, and overpaid... too much really to comment on,

I have no doubts that the British people can and will do wonders, it is the Establishment, whatever or whoever they are, the ones that have vested interests in maintaining their cushy positions.. the MP`s who really have failed the British people

I am also a Royalist, but I think the lesser Royals as they are called by the media , have brought Royalty , our Queen, into disrepute.

It amazes me how many no-dealers, dealers, leavers, remainers et al all know what's going to happen after Brexit. Didn't know we had so many psychics in this country.

Personally I can't wait to get out and show all the scaremongers how wrong they are. If you listen to the BBC we'll have nothing but doom and gloom and people are lapping it up. We weren't always in the EU and managed very nicely thank you and will again.

I voted to leave and I’m not worried at all, just want to get it done.