Labour Party Conference - chaos reigns.

I know it to be true whitewave, if it was my opinion I would
have said ‘in my opinion’.

Have you proof annie or opinion?

Corbyn didn’t know about Lansman proposing Tom Watson
being sacked ?

He was at the NEC meeting but left five minutes before Lansman proposed it !

That was to annie

Correct.

Corbyn as leader has to try to reconcile both wings of the Labour Party. By far the biggest is the remain, but Labour in turn draws most of its votes from Brexit voting areas, who voted brexit as a backlash against austerity and years of neglect.

I think tbh his position is entirely logical although.

I have made a post of the following text in an alternative thread on political debate within parties. However, as there are two such threads currently running on the forum i will also place it in this one.

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Political party conferences were originally brought forward as events where all aspects of policy were to be subjects of forthright debate and in that resolution.

It is only in recent times that such conferences have become media events with debate and disagreement being subverted by the executive for fear of press reaction.

Instead of that forthright debate we have in these times ministers and shadow ministers parading on and off the stage to loud music in the likeness of Greek Gods making bland speeches to which little or no alternative argument is allowed.

Let's have an end to such falsehood and as with the Labour conference of last year and this have real forthright debate brought to the floor of the conference with grassroots activists leading that argument.

That's the way it should be. Sod what the press think let's have real debate and argument as that will benefit our democracy and those political parties which allow such action.

Corbyn has come off the fence re leave or remain-

He is neutral ?

I am a remainer, and long for this brexit nonsense to be finished with.

But I can absolutely understand the logic of the Corbyn stance, and could support it if that is what goes through.

But if I was at the conference I would vote for remain, because with all my being I feel it is the best for the U.K.

growstuff
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Meanwhile … back to the Labour Party conference … it appears that the membership has forced a vote on Brexit against Corbyn's wishes.

Grandad That's a tad unfair. I don't think Day6 is a philanderer and a charlatan. Some people (not me, of course) are even claiming that the Tory Party leader gave public funds to a female associate in exchange for nooky. Oh my!

grandad indeed

Whitewavemark2, I believe that Day6 carries many of the traits of the current Tory party leader that he/she so loves. ?

day6 your language is very florid and threatening lately. Have you been reading too much social media.

Abolishing prescription charges and fees for social care for over 65s won't help the poorest, as Labour claims. Those are promises to appeal to Middle England.

If Labour really wanted to help the poorest they would upgrade Local Housing Allowance, so that people on Housing Benefit received the full amount of their rent, upgrade benefits in line with inflation and resurrect May's plans for social care, which ironically would have helped the very poorest.

Instead of the above, we have class warfare twaddle, the unintended consequences of which haven't been thought through.

It's laughable to think that Labour's proposals are Marxist! Those are populist ideas designed to appeal to specific groups.

What any of the proposals lack is an overall grand plan, which is what Marxism would be about. Unfortunately, I have serious concerns about the current Labour shadow cabinet's intellectual understanding of the big issues such as the economy.

That's why I shake my head in despair, not because I'm against greater equality and social justice, which some posters on GN are.

There is no way that Labour will sell those ideas to potential voters rather than those already committed to Labour.

Urmstongran God wouldn't need to help us if local councils were given back responsibility for their schools. That's how it worked until the late 1980s with HMI to oversee the overall quality. Thirty years of centralisation has failed to raise standards other than as a paper exercise. Governments have been to keen to have a finger in the pie.

Central government should stick to policy changes such as formulating and funding improvements in 16-18 education and apprenticeships.

It would not have been that she wouldn't have been allowed to go to university, but that she would have had to compete on a level playing field with pupils from state schools. That might have meant she would have had to achieve higher grades to compensate for the advantages which independent schools give.

£13k a term 19 years ago? Where the heck did she go? Even now there aren't many independent schools with fees at that level.

Now it is essential, it appears, to ensure only one view is permitted to be expressed. The LP as now being run could well be the product of the Stasi or KGB

This is the crux of the matter absthame

I'm from a working class background and voting for Labour was always our default position. I feel the Conservative Party represent the values of people like me now, which is really weird!

This is why people fear what is going on in the Labour Party. If it should have been hard left always, then that by-passed millions of working people. To have aspirations seems to be anathema to the Labour Party.

Is it just the party for asylum seekers, immigrants and street sleepers? Such issues affect us all and we all want fairness. To be honest, all UK political parties now have a conscience. Hard left Labour don't see it, but the people of the UK tend to be a fair and compassionate bunch, no matter what their circumstances.

Few of us are anarchists.

Labour has left the rails.

What would be the justification for eliminating the position of deputy leader of the Labour Party? That position has throughout the history of the LP acted as a counterpoint to that of the leader. It has helped to ensure that the party represented all opinions in the party, it has also often been occupied by someone at odds with the leader.

Now it is essential, it appears, to ensure only one view is permitted to be expressed. The LP as now being run could well be the product of the Stasi or KGB.

The Times described how just before that Momentum geezer tabled the idea to oust Watson, Jezza conveniently left the meeting

Urms I used to respect Corbyn because he seemed like a rebel, a man with conviction regarding the EU. He has called it 'undemocratic' many a time.

He is showing his true cowardly colours in walking out when things get heated. He is no more than a weak fence-sitter.

Hard left Momentum look to find a malleable replacement (puppet) to lead the Labour party. All the moderates are out.
It's quite frightening.

Thefore Day6 would you please explain why a remain supporter would threaten civil war on other remain supporters?

Oh for goodness sakes *Grandad, go and do your own effin' research!!

A Remainer wrote about 'civil war'. Go and read the thread which so fascinates you! Give it a rest, please.

I quoted a Remainer. My 'crime' was to forget to use inverted commas (speech marks) in my quote. Got it??

I shall report you for trolling if you keep this up.

The Times described how just before that Momentum geezer tabled the idea to oust Watson, Jezza conveniently left the meeting.

It’s like a scene from a daft version of the Godfather!

Honestly, Labour’s on the foot-shooting mission to end them all.

And to think, they had almost inched themselves into contention. What a farcical lot they are. Like watching a fly crawl up the inside of a beer glass only to get drunk at the top and fall back in.

Anniebach i certainly wish that Watson's position as Deputy Leader had been abolished by the Annual Delegate Conference. I also feel that those delegates should have been granted the opportunity to debate that abolition.

Allowing Watson to remain in office will be regretted by the party as Watson is already demonstrating by his further words today.