Labour La La Land?

I agree with growstuff, impartial, that your grasp of economics at a national level is poor. As evidenced by your trotting out the 'household budget' myth, which most economists will tell you is a fallacy.

Eloethan Your post is more of a tome than a comment. It has the "green eyed giant" and the "chip on the shoulder" spattered all over it. Even if we accept the reports in that most impartial publication The Gruniad, the 522 million constitutes such a drop in the ocean...would barely pay for half of the tv licences for 75s plus and certainly would go nowhere to plugging the financial gap left by abolishing such schools. Politics of envy are not progressive. Handle it!!!

How original of you to respond with the usual predictable accusations of "chip on shoulder" "envy", etc, etc.

You have an opinion with which I do not agree, but I have not used aggressive language towards you or voiced opinions as to your motivation and character. You have shown yourself to be far from impartial and, whilst you may be well educated, your insulting comments are just rude.

I think a name change is in order impartialandeducated

I could suggest a couple if you wish.

Whitewavemark2 Thank you for your kind offer but i shall retain one of the few democratic rights i have left and stick with the present name until someone takes it to the courts for judicial review

Looks like Labour Lala land will be free of any Jews. Margaret Hodge up for deselection by local party supported by beloved Corbyn. Disgraceful.

mpartialandeducated, in regard to your post @08:19 today, Margret Hodge was invited to a one to one confidential meeting with Jeremy Corbyn to discuss the grievances she held over the handling of antisemitism claims in the party.

However, instead of using that meeting to have that frank discussion, she covertly recorded the whole conversation on her phone in the hope that Corbyn would state something which she could use to discredit him in the media.

Hodge, then "bragged" to colleagues of her action, and to her surprise has been thoroughly condemned by all including those that are normally anti-Corbyn.

Had Margret Hodge carried out the same action as an employee of a private company she would have been dismissed immediately on the grounds of "gross misconduct. So, for her consistency party to deselect her should be no surprise to anyone, especially someone who is impartial and educated.

By the way Impartialandeducated how is the enquiry into Islamophobia in the Tory party going that was so promised by Boris (The Buffoon) Johnson in his leadership campaign.

Or was that just another of his continuous stream of lies.

Margaret Hodge and several other MP’s who criticised Corbyn and anti semetism are facing deselection

Freedom of speech not allowed in the Corbyn / Momentum
Party,

It was Tom Watson last week.

Grandad1943 your penultimate paragraph is rich.....just look at the opposition front bench if you want true buffoons!!!! Hence the popularity rating of the party, unless maybe 80% of the population are not giving the correct response that the minority demad..."for the few, not the many"

Anniebach freedom of speech is most definitely allowed in the Tory party. More than twenty members, (including several senior Councillors) had their membership withdrawn some weeks back for rampant islamophobic posts on social media.

However, almost all of them where almost immediately allowed to re-apply for membership under the same names and details and have been accepted once again back into the party.

There is also the little matter of twenty-one Tory MPs having the Whip removed in the House of Commons and their party membership revoked for speaking out and voting against Johnson and Cummings on Brexit.

Oh yes, freedom of speech is very much alive in the Tory Party.

mpartialandeducated the Tory Party entered the 2017 General Election campaign with a twenty three-point lead over the Labour Party in the opinion polls.

However, we all know what happened in that Ballot, Theresa May lost her overhaul majority in the House of Commons, which was the beginning of the ERG group in the party taking control of the Tories in the House of Commons with all the destruction that has wrought on this nation.

So, let us all see what this impending General Election brings forward, shall we?

Grandad 1943 it is true that the "overhaul" (very posh) majority was lost in 2017 but even after a threat to remove the triple lock (or should it be loch), it left labour a long way short of being in a position to form their own government. As fir the impending election, Labour could have voted for one very recently but chickened out!!!!

The unions are in control of the Labour Party

So good to see the support for Margaret Hodge from fellow
Labour MP’s.

New rules brought in 2017, only one third of members needed to deselect a labour MP, it use to be 50%.

Impartialandeducated, none of the opposition parties in the House of Commons is going to allow Johnson a General Election at this time for the simple reason that they are aware that he and Cummings would allow Britain to "crash out" of the European Union with no deal while that election campaign was taking place.

In short, no one trusts Johnson, and in that, they have good grounds judging by the news in regard to Johnson's activities in and out of politics in the last few days.

Anniebach in regard to your post @09:57 today, the trade unions are once again an integral part of the broad Labour movement in this country to which the Parliamentary Labour Party are also a part as equals

That situation has always been (with the exception of the Blair Years), but that under Corbyn has now been once again rectified to the benefit of the whole movement.

You have stated many times on this forum anniebach that the above is unacceptable to you, but over four hundred thousand joined the Labour Party on the election of Corbyn and the bringing forward of those changes.

So, many would argue that such change has proven very popular. ?

Anniebach Magret Hodge and others will have an opportunity to state their case against deselection to their Constituency Branch meeting and that body will then decide.

However, with the removal of the Whip and the revoking of longstanding membership in the case of the Twenty one Tory MPs that was at the straightforward orders and behest of Johnson and Cummings.

So anniebach, which of the two above systems do you feel is the most fair and democratic?

Neither, neither are democratic , both are corrupt, neither
Johnson or Corbyn are honest

Anniebach.
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Wish the title thread didn't have 'Labour' and 'La La Land put together. I absolutely loved the film La La Land. It is a truly beautiful film. No beauty about Labour whatsoever!

love0c, certainly no beauty about the Tory party either at this time, especially in regard to that organisations leader.

Anyone only has to search the media to realise and conclude that.

Any criticism of the Labour Party on a Labour Party thread will immediately bring criticism of the Conservative party,
no matter there are many threads criticising the conservatives.

Same old distraction from thread

Well let's discuss the issues. There are currently around 320,000 people homeless in UK.This includes families 78,930 are in temporary accommodation amongst these are 130,000 children. There is also a hidden number who rely on friends for support and accommodation.
Foodbank use has risen alarmingly
Schools and the NHS are massively under funded.
Labour want to change all of this and support ordinary people.
It might cost a little more. So would you mind a small increase in tax? I'd pay
Or do you still support austerity and its results?

Just a straightforward balance of argument Anniebach, it is known as democratic debate.

For me, pointless in discussing it trisher, same as pointless
discussing what the conservatives say. I do not trust either .

So wish it could be different and I could return to fighting for
the Labour Party that was before Corbyn.