Where will they all go and live ???

What on earth do illegal immigrants have to do with the EU?!?!

You really are confusing two different issues pinkquartz.

PS. I hate the term "illegals". Why can't you use a proper description such as "illegal immigrant" rather than condemning them with a label?

No Jura the bi-lateral taxation treaties are agreed by the countries concerned and are independent of the EU.

Can we just clarify please pinkquartz the difference between the various groups of people you mention? ( yes, they are actually people)

an economic migrant....a refugee....an asylum seeker , these are 3 distinct groups of people.

Do you understand the difference and do you understand what this has to do with the EU?

MaisieD people who might return to England (I am not one of them) will actually be better off because they will get more £s for their €s. £1 used to be €1.30 now its around €1.12.

Thanks for that, Daisyboots.

I had acknowledged my moment of confusion a few posts ago...

Thanks Mamie, I did not know that.

Daisyboots, we would indeed make a very nice profit - 60+ %.

jura the good exchange rate at present (going BACK to the U.K.) might ameliorate some of hardship the ex pats you know who are trying to sell might be experiencing?

So am I right in thinking that when the exchange rate is poor retirees suffer in terms of converting their UK pension, but they could at this time sell their property and make a big profit on converting their euros back to sterling?
I guess what I mean is they are faced with the choice, so it's swings and roundabouts.

if they can sel Ursmston- I have friends who have been trying for over 2 years.

Similar thoughts, Urmstongran, and to be fair the exchange rate used to fluctuate a lot when it was still francs so this isn't something they would have been unaware of.

Swings and roundabouts- well yes, sort of. Except, they, and we - do not want to be forced to return. We would make a pretty penny for sure ... as said, we have lost 60% so far, so we would make it overnight again... BUT we have decided to move and retire here, and I want to make my own choices- NOT be forced into anything by outside circumstances.

Tighten belt, grow veg, keep a few sheep and chickens - and quality of life. At the moment, the UK I/we so loved adn served, is NOT attractive at all, for sure.

never has it fluctuated, and in one direction only, to minus 60%, for sure. Of course, we knew there would be fluctuations, we are not totally stupid, you know ;) but 60% , no, I'm afraid no-one could plan for that.

Summerlove
Citizens of the UK living abroad were able to vote in the 2016 Referendum providing they had not lived abroad for 15 years or more

The health care in Portugal is residence based which is one reason that a lot of Americans are retiring here so they don't have to pay the high medical insurance in the USA. At the moment my health care is covered by the S1 form from the UK government and Portugal say they will continue to provide healthcare to British migrants if it is reciprocated by the UK for Portuguese people living there as it is at the moment.
This year I have been diagnosed with cancer and, no, my first thought was not to run back to England for treatment. Why would I when the treatment is equally good here.
As for the poster who knows so many people who live abroad and still have a property in England I only know of one British couple here who retained a house in England and did go back for medical treatment. They have since returned to England after finally selling their house here. All the rest of us (mostly in our 70s) have used the excellent hair care here. Although with the influx of 3rd party immigrants from around the world healthcare is facing many pressures on it. On a FB page yesterday a Canadian woman who has only lived here a few months complained about the lack of general practioners and then said Portugal should just employ more doctors from around the world if necessary just like Canada does. She had no idea of the financial restrictions Portugal had gone through over the last 10 years. People have said that people who move to live abroad should become citizens of that country. But it's not as simple as it sounds. You have to have lived here for 5 years minimum be able to sit a language test. Have all your documents translated in Portuguese and apostiled plus more things besides.
Yes some people do retire abroad but it doesnt mean they cant move back to the UK if circumstances change or they decide it's not for them. It's no different to a couple in London deciding to retire to Wales and then after living there a while deciding its not for them and moving on.

Interesting Daisyboots, so why is it these retirees don't choose somewhere like Wales or even Cornwall preferring France, Spain or Portugal? That would be far easier for them and as you say, if they wanted to give it up there would be far fewer hassles to get back where they started. What is that thing Jura calls "quality of life" that entices these retirees abroad? Especially when they have to learn a language, take into account the exchange rate and worry about healthcare etc. No, they're not stupid Jura (I never said they were), but in my view they certainly aren't going for the safer option!

Well- at the time, they did very careful research, and it was safe. And now, it is no longer- through NO fault of their own. I can tell you that they are not very happy with their neighbours who actually voted for this mess, and putting their future at risk.

We were lucky to be able to retain a small property (apartment) in the UK. It has proven to be the best thing we did at the time, and it has greatly increased in value too. Few people were able to do that. We could move back from one day to the next, if we had to.

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Are you aware that illegal immigrants have to live below the radar and have no recourse to public funds?

I object to the term because it's used indiscriminately by the intellectually less able to refer to asylum seekers and refugees, as well as some immigrants who come her legally and have right to stay. It's intended to be disrespectful and it is.

Yes we did our research as you say jura2 we were looking for a change of lifestyle and a bit of an adventure. We certainly never envisaged things turning out like this.
We are not as fortunate as you and don't have a UK property to return to. We will have to bite the bullet, tighten our belts and apply any other cliches you can think of. Life never turns out as one expects does it.

sodapop - I hope it all turns out for the best. Make the best of it, and tighten the belt with a smile and look at the very bright and wonderful side. x j

Nevermind sodapop, you followed your convictions and lived the dream. Many others would never have dared! Are you in an area where you can grow produce?

Or as I did. .... one small apartment in South Manchester and an equally small one in Malaga! Best of both worlds in my opinion, as a retiree. Sun and sangria in Spain, family in the U.K. We just hop between the two as our fancy takes us.

Yes we use or EHIC card if necessary but we also take out annual travel insurance (£80 for both of us to have cover - inexpensive enough to say it would be silly not to).

I suppose you rely on cheap flights Urm?
Do you think they will last.....we are considering something similar.

Usually with Mr O’Leary. Will they last? I’ve no crystal ball but I think (hope so). If not - less flights and stay longer at both ends ha!