The Brexit Party - now's your time!

It’s unlikely growstuff ( the likeliest outcome is a hung parliament I agree) but it all hinges on if we are out of the EU before or after a GE. That will make a huge difference.
It’s a case of expect the unexpected at the moment!

However, I agree with you that the Brexit Party might let a strong "other" in by default. Fingers crossed

lemongrove There are more Conservative/LD marginal seats than there are Labour/LD, so it's likely that the Conservative total would go down.

A few Labour seats in the north and east of England might return a Brexit Party candidate, but Labour has already hit rock bottom and is unlikely to lose many more seats. A couple of Labour seats in strongly Remain areas might return LDs.

After a bit of a recovery, the Conservatives are likely to be wiped out in Scotland (apparently, but I know less about Scotland than England).

I would put money on neither the Conservatives nor Labour having an overall majority, so we're likely to end up with another hung Parliament with probably a stronger LD and SNP share. The SNP could very well become the "kingmaker" which makes independence more likely.

With a FPTP system, the overall percentages aren't really that relevant. The result is likely to depend on how the votes/seats coincide and how strong the parties are at local level to get people out canvassing.

lemongrove, voting Labour is the only way now to ensure that the British people gain a chance to review their Brexit vote by way of a second referendum.

That could be a crucial card in the forthcoming General Election. From a rocky start it has turned out to be a good week for the Labour movement.

Off to work now, so, see you later. ?

Fakirs are famed for lying on beds of nails to demonstrate their indifference to physical discomfort. Not at all an appropriate description for Farage. He couldn't even manage 20 minutes walk in the rain ?

Voting for the Brexit Party would just split the Conservative vote, just as voting Lib Dem ( for remainers) would split the LP vote.

No... fakir ( it’s a real word grapefruitpip.)

fakir? faker....fucker?

Despite Farage changing with the wind and being SO flaky, they still believe their fakir.

I sometimes think leavers use their hysterical, ranting myths to whip themselves up into such a frenzy that they do believe the monster they've created. It's like a cult.

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God, yes, growstuff, what a good way to put it! Fake news and all. Total brainwashing.

Priceless indeed Alina!

I’m away using an iPhone which may have been taken over by a cult. My last sentence was a question to day6, can you tell us what the Brexit party’s policies are please?
I won’t repeat trisher’s impassioned comments about public services, homelessness etc, just say we need a government to repair the mess the Tories have made. I can’t imagine the Brexit party gives a —— about any of those things

Priceless.

I sometimes think leavers use their hysterical, ranting myths to whip themselves up into such a frenzy that they do believe the monster they've created. It's like a cult.

This idea that Brussels “made all our decisions for us” is just one of the lies that leavers have been brainwashed to believe. 96% of laws are U.K. ones - Brussels doesn’t decide our education, health and welfare, domestic policies our sovereign parliament has been so great at managing those policies haven't they? We’ve got such great crop of politicians the future looks anything but bright.

What unilateral decisions do you think the EU has made without input from the UK?

jura2, you surly have realised by now that many see the solution to gaining their non-existant Brexit utopia as now being to swap Boris (The Buffoon) Johnson for Facist Farage. ?

Brussels has not made all the UK's decisions. What utter rot!

Oh no they haven't

Full partners in a cooperative EU- with a seat at top table...

or vassals of Trump's USA and WTO (now there are some fat cat unelected bureautcrats for sure, and we won't have a say- nothing).

Quizqueen, I agree. And I have never understood why people would want to be ruled by four layers of government: local, county, national and the EU each with its expensive bureaucracy and offices, expense accounts, pensions, reams of red tape, etc etc. To be fair not so much at the local level perhaps.

I've been a Leaver since 1973, when we joined the Common Market, and I will stay one till I die. I want to live in an independent country, not one ruled by the decisions of unelected, or unelectable, fat cat bureaucrats.

Remainers pretend they want our Parliament to have sovereign authority but they haven't cared a damn about that for the last 40+ years while Brussels has made all our decisions for us!

Day 6, how do you get so very excited about this stuff/

Your use of the pronoun we seems to be far more inclusive than can be justified!
Not in my name.
You do not speak for the country.
The SNP moves to support social justice here have bankrupted no-one and there was consultation which saw agreement to higher taxation for higher earners to support those who do need it.

a deal and then a referendum on remain or the deal

But what if *the deal*is lousy? Remember the EU said that was it, take it or leave it. Why would they go back to the drawing board? They wouldn't.

So, we take a lousy deal which Brussels may have put together for the benefit of the EU (which Parliament rejected three times) and if we refuse it, we remain in the EU?

Do you really think that is in any way fair or sensible, given we asked the government to get us out of the EU?

Shall we continue to pay Brussels billions for the privilege? (Where else in the world does a country pay billions in fees every year to trade with a limited number of other countries?)

Why should the choices be remain on the dreadful EU deal or remain in the EU as we were?

Because remainers say so?

Or because it's the wish of an unelected, wealthy businesswoman with the ability to finance court cases because she wants the UK to remain in the EU?

Either way, that's a rotten proposal.

I actually thought JC spoke well at the conference over his plans for Brexit, a deal and then a referendum on remain or the deal. its the only way to sort it. The problem was 3 years ago before we had the referendum no one really thought or made plans for what would happen. It was bodged.

Anyone who looks at the mess this country is in and thinks that a far right party would sort it out is living in cloud cuckoo land. We have more homeless, more people using foodbanks, a failing education system and a health service in crisis. There's a PM who only thinks the law is right if he agrees with it and a government without a majority. The only solution to the huge disparities in our society is a Labour government. But I suppose if you are bothered that you might have to pay a little more in tax and care more about that than starving homeless families you won't support Labour.