The slippery slope - dictatorship anyone?

Hattiehelda I agree with your post. ? Geoffrey Cox was spot on with his speech yesterday parliament is dead.

I am more worried about the anxiety, frustration and tension being created throughout the nation by all of the politicians who have been and continue to obstruct the outcome if the referendum, especially as they unanimously voted to invoke article 50.
Both sides of the HOC have and continue to utter vitriolic words, which only go to show that the vast majority of them are not worth of the position of MP.
If there was an election called now and not when it is politically advantageous to any party, the frustration within the country would be de-pressurised and it wouldn't be purely Brexit vs Remain as each party's manifestos would be considered in the voters choice.

'As someone who voted Leave - and who still, in principle, would like England, at least, to leave the European Union - I want to see another referendum.

Leaving like this - with such appalling lack of preparation, such shocking disrespect for the law, Parliament and the Queen (and I write this as a republican!), and not even the slightest scrap of effort to heal the dreadful divisions between citizens - leaving like this is no victory.

I never thought I'd come to despise my own government more than the arrogant bastards who run the EU, but there we are.'

this from a young acquaintance I have argued with many times on the subject. It is good to see that even strong Brexiters can see just how wrong and despicable Johnson and ERG/Cummings are.

Of course Jo Cox was relevant in a response to the tirade of abusive language. This is the language of the far right as espoused by her killer. The language of rape and death threats towards anyone who dares speak out against Brexit . I’m not sure how people can defend it.

Hattiehelga, the vitriolic Labour MP brought Jo Cox into the arena, because, like Jo Cox, she has been the object of threats and verbal abuse and like many, particularly women, MPs is fearful of her own safety because of the rabble-rousing rhetoric of Johnson. I find the attacks on her posted on this thread somewhat distasteful.

I think that most decent people would consider it disrespectful to reply "humbug!" to someone who has just explained the level of threats and abuse to which they have been subjected and expressed fears for their own safety.

I am not at all sure why any thread about upholding parliamentary procedure and the law of the land, or the expectation of appropriate conduct by MPs is interpreted as being anti-Brexit. Do Leave-supporting posters not also wish to uphold these pillars of our democracy? Or does the need to leave the EU at any cost justify their demolition?

Same here Bijou. She's on maternity leave anyway (not that we'd notice her absence).

There are millions who don't hold your view either Day6.

All those calls to unite the country are sounding somewhat faint.

Someone suggested that we wrote to our MP. The MP for my constituency is a Conservative in favour of Boris. In the past people have written to her on various local matters and had no reply.

Not outraged nor irate - although I'm sure you'd love Remainers to be.

Try again!

Correction. I missed out
Would normally have warrant a slap across the face, not as his colleagues did, a pat on his back

Who killed our Parliament Day6?

[Hattiehelda] I wonder how calm you would feel if your best friend had been murdered by a person inspired by language and behavior being replayed by BJ or if your children had been threatened to instill fear into you or to threats to rape or behead you. To ask for BJ, his members and supporters to calm the language being used is neither vitriolic or unreasonable, even when done in an elevated voice because of the noise in the chamber. To receive the response humbug from the greatest humbug or fraud amongst our MPs.

Ah Day6- 'The mood at grass roots level is angry. angry with parliament prolonging the Brexit mess. Leavers don't post much, but social media is full of them swatting down government detractors and highlighting the 'dead'opposition - too scared to ask the people what they want. '

yes, full of vitriol and hate, and terrible threats, we know, we can see for ourselves. But you won't condemn their threats or words - and when we say we are worried, and when we say it feels like 'civil war' has started- you will reply 'hysterical' ... When some of us use those words- it is because we have access to their threats, and language, and vitriol - and it is terrifying. As you well know.

I've never been outraged by people I hold in contempt

Well, millions of people hold our 'dead' parliament in contempt, don't forget.

We are looking at the ire of Remainers here on this thread, but remember there are millions who do not share your views or opinions and find our present parliament an utter disgrace.

Yeah, I thought that too jura.

So you honestly think that the way Johnson is running the country is consistent with the UK's democratic systems, as we know them? Really?

What is so important that he has to resort to these kind of tactics. If something really is so right, he should be able to defend it rationally.

I you don't know the difference between 'very upset and passionate' and 'vitriolic' well

strange new names appearing all of a sudden - weird, that.

Do you not agree that rhetorical language has a role in politics Hattiehelga?

Have you never listened to political speeches by some of the most effective political orators?

Do you think it is acceptable to dismiss a speech by somebody who was quite clearly upset as "humbug"? Goodness me, I hope you've never had a caring/listening role.

Interesting response, mamacaz, but surely you aren't suggesting that general elections in the UK are shenanigans?

Perhaps I should have said dictators don't offer properly run general elections to the populace.

In what way was the Labour MP vitriolic?

Riponian 42. Quite - I have read every page of this thread and it has been ignored that the vitriolic Labour MP brought Jo Cox into the arena. Why ? Mention of her was quite irrelevant and the Prime Minister's response not in any way disrespectful. Agree that this is a prominently Remainer post.

For whoever asked (Rem1997?) why the Speaker didn't call for order - he did, again and again, while the honourable members of both parties called out a lot of other things - louder than him.

Fingers crossed Elegran. I never would have thought Corbyn could be made to seem like a statesman.

The reason Boris is not being "seen off" is that it would result in an early election and Parliament being "seen off" too while the election is being prepared for. That is what Boris wants to happen, that is why he and others are trying to bait the House into losing its composite temper and acting precipitately. The House has more sense than to be manipulated in this way.

Oh, lol, another one!