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The slippery slope - dictatorship anyone?

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Amagran Thu 26-Sept-19 01:35:09

We have a Prime Minister who suspends Parliament for 5 weeks at a time of national crisis in order to allow him to pursue a minority policy, and who then forcefully declares that the 11 Justices of the Supreme Court, the highest legal authority in the country, are wrong.

My Concise Oxford Dictionary defines a dictator as a ruler with (often usurped) unrestricted authority. It defines usurp as seize or assume (a throne or power etc.) wrongfully.

I feel that we have crossed a line on to a very slippery slope.
Do supporters of Johnson not feel just a teeny bit worried?

Labaik Thu 26-Sept-19 01:48:36

Well,it's 1:47 in the morning and I'm still awake trying to get my head round what I saw and heard in Parliament last night....worried doesn't even come close to what I'm feeling right now. Total despair at what has happened to my wonderful country....

whywhywhy Thu 26-Sept-19 02:36:29

Labaik I am the same. Here I am at 2.35am and I cannot get to sleep. What the hell is happening with this country?

Ginny42 Thu 26-Sept-19 03:13:22

Yes, I'm awake too and very shaken by the display in Parliament yesterday. Cox was absolutely out of control, in fact as I posted on another thread, I thought he might have a heart attack. What was equally disturbing were the expressions on the faces of the Tories either side of him laughing with glee.

The arrogance of Johnson dissing the findings of the Supreme Court beggars belief and his body language is distressing to watch. His comment to the MP who appealed for them to moderate their language, which she felt was urging people to agression, was frankly puerile and in utterly bad taste.

He's like a schoolboy who's never grown up. I recall seeing his father on TV the day he won the election and he said how proud he was - surely to heaven he can't be feeling proud of his boy now and how his brother Jo feels I can't imagine.

Hope sleep comes soon!

crystaltipps Thu 26-Sept-19 06:47:59

We have a PM with no integrity, principles, morality or credibility. Cummings has obviously ordered him and the gammon faced Cox to get aggressive as they have lost every parliamentary vote and the Supreme Court judgement so they can only rely on spittle flecked hateful rhetoric. For Johnson the UK is a country of 17.4 m people - the 50million in the rest of the population are non- people and count for nothing. Disgusting. Let’s hope his paying for trade missions with a blonde bimbo using tax payers money continues to rumble. He’s obviously taking lessons from Trump. God help us.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 26-Sept-19 06:48:39

I feel almost hungover from yesterday’s shocking scenes.

I never ever thought that our parliament would witness such disregard for common decency, respect and good manners.

I now understand when people warned that Johnson had two sides, neither every edifying, but one being a dangerous and extremely unpleasant side.

They weren’t kidding were they?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 26-Sept-19 06:55:48

One thing for sure which worries me even more is that Johnson’s rhetoric will have thrilled the Tommy Robinson’s of the UK.

Permission has been granted to all those thugs.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 26-Sept-19 07:01:28

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MaggieTulliver Thu 26-Sept-19 07:25:19

My mum grew up in Nazi Germany. She sees a chilling resemblance between Johnson and Hitler in the early days of his rise to power. The man is a disgrace and more importantly, dangerous.

MamaCaz Thu 26-Sept-19 07:45:47

I admit to only watching last night's events in Parliament for a shortish time - with an OH who thinks that everything that I was appalled by is 'great', I had to leave the room for the good of both my health and our marriage .

Those scenes were appalling. If the exchanges were taking place in the street, I have no doubt that the police would be called to disperse them, and many arrests would be made on the basis of things said.

My God, when the so-called 'representatives' of our people and country can behave like this (behaviour that is being seen by many on TV), without fear of punishment, we are doomed, in or out of the EU!

Davidhs Thu 26-Sept-19 07:48:08

Disgraceful behavior, inflammatory and confrontational, but worse, death threats to MPs and their children.
I want Brexit resolved but this present chaos was caused by the Tories suspending parliament for 5 weeks, they began the trouble, a lot of non Brexit business was lost, for them to blame the opposition for that is total rubbish.

We have a PM that cannot be trusted, even to do what he promises parliament and is willing to use any tactic to get his way, get Brexit sorted then get rid!.

MamaCaz Thu 26-Sept-19 07:50:30

I have to say, I am no fan of Corbyn, but in comparison with those on the opposite bench, I thought he came across in a very positive light, very calm and restrained!

Witzend Thu 26-Sept-19 07:51:43

The other day, when I was wondering whether I was the only person never to have heard of 'proroguing' before, it occurred to me how apt it is - 'pro - rogue'.

High for some anti-roguing, methinks.

EllanVannin Thu 26-Sept-19 07:55:49

It should no longer be called Westminster.

The Rogues Gallery would be more apt !!

Jane10 Thu 26-Sept-19 08:01:04

All Parliament had to do was agree to Theresa May's hard won deal then none of this would have happened and we'd be getting on with dealing with issues arising.
ALL parties have been so taken up with their own agendas and squabbling between themselves that I could shake the lot of them. It's more like a nursery than nazi Germany. angry

Whitewavemark2 Thu 26-Sept-19 08:02:29

Parliament must show restraint but firmness.

Parliament is sovereign.

Parliament is many, Johnson and his supporters are few.

To coin a phrase

Grandad1943 Thu 26-Sept-19 08:04:28

I believe that a great many have been shocked at what was witnessed last evening in the House of Commons. It remains to be seen throughout today just how widespread that shock is among the whole British public.

Many (if not all) working in our offices voted remain due in all probability to the very nature of the industry they are employed in. It will be interesting to hear how they have reacted to last evenings events and the views of their husbands, wives and partners in the same.

It states much that members of our Assignment teams that visit other businesses and individual persons in the course of their work have been under strict instructions for more than two years now to not under any circumstances discuss Brexit while in other company or persons premises.

Such is the danger of this nations divide that such rulings have to be brought in.

Ginny42 Thu 26-Sept-19 08:11:13

The plan was clearly to goad the opposition parties into a vote of no confidence, triggering a GE. 'Go on then, let's have an election, but you daren't dare you? No! Because you're scared. You haven't got the guts.' Cox was yelling across the Chamber. They were like street fighters and as MamaCaz says, had that been in the street, the police would have been called.

It is truly shocking that Jo Swinson has reported to the police a threat to her 5 year old child, but you can see where the vitriol and hatred is coming from and some people don't need winding up by the MPs' behaviour.

I do hope that the decent Tories who put him in No 10 let their displeasure be known, or are they too scared of the monster they've created?

Carid Thu 26-Sept-19 08:24:33

Quite agree... the horrific mud slinging contests are not politics...neither side is showing any respectful regard for the human race... they should all grow up and get on with the brexit which the majority voted for democratically.....pretend argument just for self gratification is showing our mps to all be fickle,selfish people .....( well we have always known that!!!)
Democracy died a long time ago!

Amagran Thu 26-Sept-19 08:26:25

Well said, everyone above and thank you.

When Lady Hale read out the judgment of the Supreme Court, I scarcely dared hope that Johnson would resign, but I did think that he might express a smidgen of contrition. I have always thought him deeply flawed, but even so, I was unprepared for the utterly shocking and outrageous display which he unleashed last night. I am not a Tory, but I have always believed that there are amongst them some decent and principle people. I know many of those have been expelled, but sure the rest are not too lily-livered to call him out for the unprincipled and bullying lout that he is. Are they so worried about being expelled themselves? Are they cowed by this bully or are they happy to slide down the slippery slope with him?

Like others above, I feel traumatised by yesterday's proceedings in Parliament and deeply worried for my grandchildren by the serious erosion of honour and principle in politics.

Labaik Thu 26-Sept-19 08:32:53

We should all write to our MP's and demand that Johnson, at the very least, apologises....

Urmstongran Thu 26-Sept-19 08:48:12

You ladies might notice that a lot of us are reading but passing no comment.

It’s too early yet for heavy political discussion for me.

Maybe later ....
?

Framilode Thu 26-Sept-19 08:59:15

I missed a lot of it as our grandson was here but what I saw horrified me. Johnson and his acolytes have obviously decided to go down the Trump route. God help us.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 26-Sept-19 09:02:19

Please don’t lose sight of the fact amongst all this angst, that this is a deliberate strategy, with Cummings hand all over it.

He is trying to place Johnson on the side of the people and against evil parliament who refuses to carry out the people’s wishes.

Their strategy is DIVIDE AND RULE

So to do so they are willing to put aside any sense of decency, respect and good manners, by using the kind of militaristic rhetoric, which will be easily recalled by the voter.

Parliament must stand firm against such a disastrous strategy.

Parliament can lead the way in allying both remainers and leavers fears by showing that we can unite and reconcile by ensuring that a deal can be struck, which ensures we leave but at the same time safeguards our economy. It is a middle way.

The voter who in effect started this process can close it by endorsing the deal.

Labaik Thu 26-Sept-19 09:06:09

Too early for an opinion Urmston; or are you desperately racking your brains trying to find a way to defend what has happened?