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The slippery slope - dictatorship anyone?

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Amagran Thu 26-Sept-19 01:35:09

We have a Prime Minister who suspends Parliament for 5 weeks at a time of national crisis in order to allow him to pursue a minority policy, and who then forcefully declares that the 11 Justices of the Supreme Court, the highest legal authority in the country, are wrong.

My Concise Oxford Dictionary defines a dictator as a ruler with (often usurped) unrestricted authority. It defines usurp as seize or assume (a throne or power etc.) wrongfully.

I feel that we have crossed a line on to a very slippery slope.
Do supporters of Johnson not feel just a teeny bit worried?

Sillyoldfool Thu 26-Sept-19 19:38:00

You do realise that members of the Supreme Court are in receipt of £175k annual stipend from the EU.

Urmstongran Thu 26-Sept-19 19:37:38

jura you are DEFINITELY not ‘talking to people ^like that^’ if you meant me!!

Urmstongran Thu 26-Sept-19 19:35:52

Bluddy hell! I meant at the ballot box❗️
Jeez. You’re quick to cast aspersions ladies. You ought to know my views better than that by now.
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Elegran Thu 26-Sept-19 19:33:32

That's OK then, no-one YOU know will do any violence. I take it you don't know the thug who trashed an MPs office then? Or the low-lives who threatened to harm an MP's young son?

Day6 Thu 26-Sept-19 19:31:13

But when I mentionned 'Civil War' I was told I was hysterical. I think it is a real concern now, and makes me sicl to the stomach and so so sad

Ahhh...it was YOU who started this then Jura?

I do hope Grandad sees this. grin

I think you do tend to catastrophise Jura, if you don't mind me saying so. We're fairly powerless to do anything about what is playing out in Westminster, except look on.

No one I know, Remainer or Leaver, has violence in their hearts. so rest assured, you can be more upset by the huge amount of civil disobedience going on in France. I am right in thinking you live closer to France than UK based posters do?

Most of us are angry, but mild-mannered. Message boards are made up by posters sitting in their living rooms listening to classical music - as I am now. My only form of demonstration is via message boards and newspapers where I share my thoughts. Occasionally, my MP gets a 'polite' earful.

Hysteria serves no purpose.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 26-Sept-19 19:24:56

day6 I am pleased to see that you accept that there is a middle way.

Would you feel able to accept a middle way with regard to Brexit in the hope that it enables both moderate remainers and leavers to come together to agree a way forward?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 26-Sept-19 19:20:21

day6 you are totally twisting the facts.

The Supreme Court is the very body that will/should protect you and yours from a government which has flouted any law relating to the constitution or indeed any other which directly affects our rule of law.

The glory of the Court is that all are equal before the law, so any private citizen can challenge a government who they feel is flouting the constitution.

That is exactly how it should be.

Our legal system is the best in the world, with many countries trying to emulate it. It has a reputation for balanced, unbiased judgment and to attempt to trash our judges is going against your best interests.

This time they have given a judgement that you don’t like, but next your very life may depend on their good judgement.

Day6 Thu 26-Sept-19 19:19:30

Far Right extremism being whipped up to an even more frenzy

To match the huge surge of Far Left anarchy, maybe?

Labour's open borders policy has to be the work of the socialist deranged, looking to bring down the establishment and the UK.

Let's face it -very few of us support either the far right or far left. Those factions, intolerant, vicious, often violent in nature, fascist even - are not what the majority of left or right wingers are about.

You can give examples of minority behaviour and try to smear everyone who supports the right or left with it, but you know it is not true of the moderates - who are allowed to feel anger and dismay. We also feel anger and dismay that some people act as they do.

They are a nasty minority, supported by very few, and you know it.

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 19:17:18

I think we know what she means Labaik- threats of street and other violence.

But when I mentionned 'Civil War' I was told I was hysterical. I think it is a real concern now, and makes me sicl to the stomach and so so sad. The thought that we are talking here, to people who would approve this - is sickening in the extreme.

Labaik Thu 26-Sept-19 19:09:08

Can you elaborate on what you mean by that....

Urmstongran Thu 26-Sept-19 19:08:08

If Westminster doesn’t sort itself out the public will.

Day6 Thu 26-Sept-19 19:06:14

Day6 you applaud Johnson for storming out and saying he will not obey the law

And so do millions and millions of mild-mannered law-abiding citizens, fed up with our Remain parliament doing all they can to frustrate the will of the majority.

If Boris makes a stand - he is one of the few making an effort to move on and to get us out of the EU - he will have Leave voters behind him.

I do not advocate breaking the law, but let's face it, parliament has now been interfered with via Tony Blair's Supreme Court. The courts and Gina Miller are deciding how things should be. That's a very nasty precedent to set too.

Let's see how this unfolds.

Boris may only be PM for a short time, but there is not one Leave voter I know who doesn't back him 100% on showing his distaste for the lousy anti-democratic MPs (and Speaker) who sit on the benches of the House of Commons.

Urmstongran Thu 26-Sept-19 19:00:30

Pity Boris Johnson. It seems that everyone is against him, except the people.
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Time will tell. Leavers will have their day. Not in Court, a la Gina Miller and John Major. But at the ballot box for sure.

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 18:59:13

and many in the Conservative Party are very concerned and worried. Not sure how Nicky Morgan can stay after this.

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 18:55:41

Excusing the un-excusable by some on GN and many beyond, and she says it so well. I do in a way, sort of feel sorry for failed Boris who has had a very sad life, golden spoon in mouth, but a terrible family life

www.facebook.com/bbcnews/videos/519216878827552/

missdeke Thu 26-Sept-19 18:52:15

SirChenjin She did not say she would put it to the vote she said she would revoke article 50, not the same thing at all.

Joelsnan Thu 26-Sept-19 18:51:41

Betrayal and trapped. What is despicable about those words? I haven't seen the broadcast so cannot comment on slavery.

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 18:47:31

perhaps all Orchestrated ?

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 18:46:17

made me feel truly sick - lies more lies and whipping up hatred.

But... as the EU is watching- totally scuppering Johnson's position much much more effectively that taking No Deal off the table.

Labaik Thu 26-Sept-19 18:45:20

Yes,quizqueen. What evidence do you have that the jury were all remainers?

Labaik Thu 26-Sept-19 18:43:32

jura; crossed post. Shocking, wasn't it.....

Labaik Thu 26-Sept-19 18:42:04

I didn't say Jo Cox's murder wasn't because of brexit; I said it wasn't the result of the negativity that remainers are being blamed for. Post referendum the negativity is due to a brexit that is undeliverable and always was. On top of this I have just seen a brexit party political broadcast that is not only full of false information but is using words such as 'betrayal, slavery, trapped' etc. Which, after the events of the past 24 hours I find despicable.

Elegran Thu 26-Sept-19 18:41:20

I'd like to see that evidence too, Quizqueen Do you have some private arrangement that allows you to see how people voted? If not, you must have some other evidence that you can let us see.

Are you, perhaps, arguing backwards here? - YOU are a leaver so you would have made the decision that Parliament should be muzzled until after the Brexit deadline was over, therefore any decision that the proroguing was not lawful, so never happened must have been made by someone with a diferent view to yours? Illogical, illogical, as Mr Spock would have said.

(though we have been assured many times over that the proroguing wasn't anything to do with Brexit. Are you now saying that is wrong and it WAS to stymie discussion on Brexit?)

Urmstongran Thu 26-Sept-19 18:40:10

The more blows the anti-democrats in the Commons land on Boris, the more his double-digit poll difference creeps up.
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People -v- Parliament seems to be a good strategy.

gagsy Thu 26-Sept-19 18:35:57

My late father was an MP for many years. He always said never speak ill. of your opponents and made many good friends among people of the “other” side. He was much loved by his constituents and must be turning in his grave!