The slippery slope - dictatorship anyone?

Johnson's Brexit plan was never designed to solve the Irish border issue or even form the basis of an agreement with the EU. It was always designed to provide a certain rejection of something he could sell to a gullible nation as a “good deal” that an intransigent EU and parliament unreasonably rejected. If it works he will succeed in crashing out, without a deal, eliminate both the LP and the Brexit Party. Then like his hero Emperor Augustus Boris will reign for 40 or more years.

Johnson’s unworkable Brexit plan won’t solve the Northern Ireland border issue

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/03/northern-ireland-border-brexit-boris-johnson

And this

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Chief of Police in NI to Johnson: The PSNI will not police customs checkpoints, will not "put police officers on any one of 300 crossings" and will not be "dragged into another type of policing".

This is extraordinary stuff, both in content and tone.

This

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Johnson is now blaming Ireland

These Tories can’t get used to the fact that Ireland is now more powerful than England - for the first time in history - because it has the EU behind it. Whereas England under Johnson doesn’t even have the UK behind it

But we have been trained to believe that our 'Rulers' will look after us, whatever happens. so why should we be afraid?

^ a nice clean Brexit^

You have absolutely no idea, do you, Chestnut.

There will be absolutely nothing at all 'clean' about it.

Firecracker - well thank you, I have learnt a new word today. I had to look it up.

'Dominic Grieve the quisling.' It seems there are many in the dark forces at play currently - but certainly not Dominic Grieve. The man has more courage, intelligence, integrity and dignity than the whole of ERG and Bojo put together. Shame on you.

nice, clean ... oh my

The signs are that Johnson's Brexit deal will be rejected by both the EU and by Parliament.
Without knowing whether this is a 'good' deal I'm not bothered, then we can have a nice clean Brexit on 31st October and get out of the gruesome situation we are currently in (cue a storm of hailstones from outraged remainers!)

The signs are that Johnson's Brexit deal will be rejected by both the EU and by Parliament. What next, I wonder? Johnson has made it very clear that he will still pursue a no-deal Brexit and the opposition parties/groupings, do not seem to be able to agree a strategy to remove him. So what plan are he and Cummings hatching, or should I say knitting, as it will doubtless be codged together with loopholes?
Sorry, cancel that knitting analogy. Knitting is a craft requiring skill, experience, focus and an ability to follow instructions laid down by others and by convention and generally has the aim of producing something useful.

Tory peer demands Dominic Cummings is stripped of Westminster pass over 'contempt' of Parliament

By James Tapsfield, Political Editor For Mailonline

"Quisling" is another war-time insult. We are not at war.

Dominic Grieve the quisling.

The appalling enelected Cummings is up to his dirty tricks again

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dominic-cummings-telling-outright-lies-says-former-law-chief-grieve-zgcjb0wzh#

Who runs this country?

Dominic Grieve rips into Dominic Cummings.

How is the government allowing special advisers.... to tell outright lies? Mercifully this country is not yet run as a police state by Mr Cummings.

GrannyGravy13, the reason the House of Commons chamber is so deserted is for the reason the government has put forward no legislation program for the weeks it thought that Parliament would be illegally prorogued. Simple as that.

However, all the MPs are within the bounds of the parliamentary estate to ensure that liar Johnson and his sidekick Cummings do not attempt to anything else that may be outside the law in regard to our democracy.

They were all so eager to return to the H of C’s!!!

Chestnut We can't just walk away from the EU and set sail in our beautiful boats to find trading partners across the globe. It just doesn't work like that.

For a start, we have to find some agreement over Ireland and Gibraltar and the rights of EU citizens already in the UK and UK citizens in the EU. We can't just expect them all to play a huge game of musical chairs on 1st November and suddenly lose the rights they've had in the past.

Before there is some deal on those issues, we can't even begin to discuss trade agreements with the EU. It's pie in the sky to think we can just ignore trade with the EU. EU countries are our nearest geographical neighbours and it's totally bonkers to think it would be better to import/export to countries on the other side of the globe, even if they want to trade with us.

Even after a "deal" is agreed there are going to be years of negotiating ahead of us. Johnson's bumpy road is going to be more like a rollercoaster, so don't for one minute think it will all be over on 1st November.

If you're sick to death of the last three years and are totally against revoking Article50, the next best alternative is for our politicians to start acting like grown ups and accept a compromise. Meanwhile, the UK government needs to give some serious thought about how it's going to mitigate the hardship which many groups in society are going to suffer in at least the short term as a result of Brexit. It's not good enough for Johnson to shrug his shoulders and dismiss it all as humbug.

My biggest concern for a long time has been the effect this has had on our legal and parliamentary systems. I fear we haven't seen nothing yet!

The point of a Government of National Unity at this time is that the PM should be temporary. Get an extension to A50 to avoid crashing out with no deal, then have a General Election or a new referendum, or both...

There's also consideration of people like Kenneth Clark and Margaret Beckett. MPs with no future careers to worry about.

I'm afraid that I wouldn't watch any video produced by the Telegraph; it's the Sun for the middle classes.

Would he be re elected at the next general election after having been seen to tbwart a no deal Brexit?

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/09/john-bercow-speaker-became-thorn-side-party/

Watch BOTH videos ....

Hardly secret now it's all over the internet

Oh, what howls of rage that would provoke...

Speaking of Mr Bercow, here is an interesting twist, but then I like the man.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-fiasco-twist-secret-plan-20325827

Two years from now would strain everyone's nerves,*Chestnut*, but it would have neen better if more than three years ago the referendum itself had been delayed for a couple of years while data was gathered on exactly what people believed was our relationship with the EU, what were the actual terms of that relationship and were they the same as was popularly believed, what the change would entail and what would be the predicted (by neutral experts) short-term and long-term effects. The information could have been widely disseminated BEFORE asking people to vote to step blindfold into the dark without a map or a torch. By now we would be settled into either a planned exit, voted for by a massive majority, or else a definite rejection of the idea, voted against by a massive majority. As it is, we have a very narrow majority, with vociferous argumenstil going on both for and against.

Most people want us to Remain in the EU, as demonstrated by opinion polls for the last two and a half years.

Elegran - that sounds like an ideal world, where everyone does what they should.

Postpone for two years? Don't you think the electorate would have all gone stark staring mad by then? We have all been driven crazy for three years already and most people just want it done so we can move on (which is what Boris advocates and he's right there).