Why are "Leavers" so angry?

libra10 you say The patronising, bigoted tone of the OP trisher, growstuff et al astounds me, expressions such as those who voted to leave the EU 'can't even string together a coherent sentence', 'empty vessels' - really! How arrogant and presumptious!
Can you explain to me what is bigotted in believing in a parliamentary democracy and the due process of law? And can you please say who has said such things?
You have posted your reasons for leaving but can you post a solution to the N Ireland problem?
As for agriculture an economist who used to work for theNFU fears 50% of UK farms will go under with No Deal.
Rickard said:“The campaign to leave the EU was based on the idea that the UK would quickly secure a comprehensive new trading relationship with Europe and that leaving would have only positive impacts on UK farming. But today the reality looks very different.”
In the event of a no deal Brexit, Rickard argued that many industries would suffer but agriculture would feel the most serious economic shock.
“It is impossible to project the exact number of farmers who will go out of business”, he said. “What we do know is that over 40% of them will have no net income if the basic payment is removed. If at the same time the government removes all tariffs and so depresses prices, these two factors combined will render over 50% of farms in this country unviable.
“The possibility of any compensation from the government going anywhere near offsetting this is remote because so many promises have been made to so many other sectors and not all can be fulfilled.”

Well said libra10 and in the first year or so many Leave voters came on here to say similar things, but over the last year in particular, they have grown weary of the constant demands by either old or new posters demanding reasons ( as if it was their right).
Believe it or not, some Remainers on GN are still discussing the legalities of the referendum and the percentages of voters in the referendum.....from 3 years ago!

Sadly WOODMOUSE there is a very good reason for this.

And it is simple, Leavers do not reply to any questions- or very rarely do. They comment, but do not give fact based evidence. Perhaps because when they do- some of us are aware that it is not the case, and reply with fact based evidence- which they take umbrage to.

rosieroe

I agree, there are pros and cons to both.

However, most of those who comment on Brexit threads are remainers. For every one comment by the few leavers, it is questioned repeatedly, occasionally in a very derogative manner, by 3+ remainers.

3 onto 1 - naughty - give the lady a chance to reply.

However leavers appear to fight back and put up with the name calling and snide analogies.

The patronising, bigoted tone of the OP trisher, growstuff et al astounds me, expressions such as those who voted to leave the EU 'can't even string together a coherent sentence', 'empty vessels' - really! How arrogant and presumptious!

On the other hand, Informative posts by joelsnam regarding EU policies and how they have affected her area, are measured and helpful.

NanaandGrammy asks why everyone is so angry. It is typical opinions by posters mentioned above who ridicule those who voted to leave the EU which angers us.

My personal reasons for voting to leave are varied. If we look at the EU, how many member states are prospering? Certainly not Greece or Italy, all have high debt and unemployment, even France has record unemployment, and they are one of the leading member states. Germany (the leading net contributor to the EU) is on the brink of recession. We are the second highest net contributor to the EU, costing £billiions each year, and although we receive EU initiatives, I don’t believe we get our money’s worth.

Although I don’t believe we will save the vast amounts of money postulated by hard brexiteers, we will definitely save huge amounts each year. Money which could be spent in so many ways to help our own nation. The NHS, schools, roads, which are currently filled with potholes – the list is endless!

The pound currency is another important factor I voted leave. Although currently it has devalued against the dollar and euro, it will eventually regain value, unlike the euro which has suffered various crises and will again. There is diplomatic pressure regarding the euro that in order to use the single market, all members will be forced to adopt the euro. The euro’s problems will continue until Europe has a fiscal union and proper European government, and so far there is no sign of that.

Outside of the EU common agricultural policy, we can take advantage of cheaper surplus foods across the globe. The same goes with other products, resulting in lower inflation and our money will go further. One of the worst things to happen since joining the common market (as it was called initially) was the sharp rise in food prices. And with the freedom to choose our suppliers, without agreement from 27 other member states, it should be much easier to do.

Although not against immigration per se, I do believe we need to control our borders. I live in an agricultural, salad growing area, and even before joining the common market, portuguese, spanish and other nationalities came across each summer to harvest the fields and greenhouses. They have always been welcomed. They picked the crops, returning home when the harvest was finished.

However, the EU policy of free movement has resulted in over 300,000 European workers arriving here each year. And with countries such as Macedonia, Albania, Serbia, Turkey and Montenegro wishing to join the EU and head to the ‘richer’ countries, how can such a small island such as the UK possibly continue to sustain such huge numbers, which would increase with time. For example, France is twice as big as the UK, yet France has a population only 2.7 million higher than the UK.

Local green-belt land is already being taken for building, the loss to wildlife and climate change is enormous. And it’s not just in my area that housing is needed, there are housing shortages all over the country.

I hadn’t intended to add to this thread, but have decided to in order to reasonably explain some of my reasons for leaving the EU.

Which thread was that, petra? Could you do a link or give me its title?

indeed varian - and it is cranked up by the PM, and by others, like Farage- saying 'we will take a knife to them' ...

MaizieD
I've just done a GN search and you were commenting on the thread I refer to above.

Could it be that one of the reasons we are seeing more anger from leavers is that they are being encouraged by the intemperate rhetoric of politicians and the media, not just to shout and post aggressively but to actually take to the streets?

According to the Daily Mail-"Tories say Boris Johnson could declare a state of emergency over claims there could be riots to force through Brexit"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7514031/Tories-say-Boris-Johnson-declare-state-emergency-force-no-deal-Brexit.html

Just yesterday brexit supporter Brendan O'Neill has said there 'should be' riots from Leave voters for the failure to deliver Brexit - live on television.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/brendan-o-neill-on-politics-live-1-6294304

A quick search ( not through GN ) brought up posts from January 2019.

As we know Maizie- some GN members, totally against GN rules, have changed names again and again- so perhaps.

(yes, I have changed once, from Granjura to Juragran - so no, it did not confuse anyone. As the rules say, it is about trust).

I would just say that abby is not a new poster.

I've used Gnet's dreadful 'search' facility and can't find any posts from abbey before yesterday.

There is another poster called abby, though. Also found through Gnet 'search'

Do people not feel it is correct to be angry at this? Rachel, Johnson's sister, hinted at this the other day. And it seems that she was right, and I am very pleased to see this is being properly investigated.

'The public interest in hedge fund companies is highlighted by the fact that Boris was the sole Tory candidate for the leadership who fixed a firm date for Britain to leave the EU “do or die” on October 31. His main rival, Jeremy Hunt, made it clear that if a deal was near he would be prepared to extend the leaving date by a few days. From evidence lodged at the Electoral Commission, Byline Times has discovered Johnson received £375,000 from hedge fund associated donors compared to £45,000 for Hunt.

“It could be Cummings advising the PM to be extremely aggressive… It could be people who have invested billions in shorting the pound in expectation of a no-deal Brexit.”
Rachel Johnson, BBC World at One

A precise date for a market-moving event such as a ‘no deal’ Brexit could be significant for hedge funds as they speculate on the fluctuation of foreign exchanges and share prices. A ‘no deal’ exit from the EU could lead to a big drop in the pound and a fall in stock values which could be highly profitable to those taking short positions.'

Amazon are now selling the imaginatively named "My little notebook of all the Brexiteers I would like to stab"

I saw that on twitter yesterday and it provoked a great many horrified reactions from Remainers, several of whom said they had contacted Amazon to request that it be withdrawn from sale.

I have just searched Amazon and twitter and it appears to have been removed.

I would just say that abby is not a new poster.

From Martin Lewis (Money Saving Expert): “Depressing reading my social media feeds today. Both sides of Brexit debate name calling. Let's accept

- You can be a leaver without being a racist or thick.
- You can be a remainer without being a traitor or wanting to surrender our country.

It isn't binary. There are pros & cons to both!”

I must go and do some gardening while the weather is decent.

yes, there are some hilarious predictive texts at times on here, I suppose we should all use preview really but life is too short.

Terribull Trisher That looks like someone jumping on the bandwagon to make a few quid. I daresay they also have one on sale called ""My little notebook of all the Remainers I would like to strangle" so as to butter their bread on both sides.

It did mean leave, Lemon - I think the predictive text was up to its tricks again. At least it was the same verb even if the wrong part of speech, wuite near, I suppose. A few days ago I typed "biggish" which appeared as "Higgins", lord knows where it got that from.

more foul, and violence inciting language from Farage- it is all orchestrated- and becoming worse than Trump...Hyperbole, NO.

just words, some will say- but words do matter.

www.southwalesargus.co.uk/.../17918581.nigel.../...

Lemon I am not talking about partisan articles, I am talking about the actual text of Acts of Parliament and EU Directives. These are all available on public media, and are not "fake news" Likewise, documents advising the Cabinet on the likely effects of a no-deal Brexit, like Yellowhammer, are not "partisan articles" but are the background to decisions made by the Government, and are not "fake news by the hysterical".

Indeed, if any faking has gone on, it is more likely that the labelling "Base case scenario" has been edited before publication to "Worst case scenario".

That's horrific TerriBull. But I haven't come across any Remains who has actually said such things.
I was wondering about the threats to female MPs and their children is it in fact just a chance for men who feel emasculated by strong women to express the hate they feel and is Brexit perhaps just the excuse?

Elegran it may have been a Freudian slip, but you did type the word ‘left’ in your earlier post.I assumed it meant ‘leave’.

Amazon are now selling the imaginatively named "My little notebook of all the Brexiteers I would like to stab" a mere £4.05. Yes I know not good! Ordering stuff of Amazon but can you get it in the high street?

Can't help feeling such a publication might give some credence to the title thread of why "Leavers are so Angry"