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Why are "Leavers" so angry?

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trisher Fri 27-Sept-19 09:48:09

Watching Question Time, reading GN and listening to others the anger and ire of those who voted leave astounds me. They are it seems prepared to dump everything to get what they want. A constitution, a legal system, parliamentary democracy mean nothing to them. There is only one small party which is actually campaigning to stop Brexit. One will offer a referendum on a deal and one will (so Johnson says) get a better deal or leave with No Deal. So why are they so aggressive? I can only think that they are actually really upset about what they have done. That they realise the Brexit they were sold and voted for never really existed. That the complications of N. Ireland, the prospect of No Deal and huge shortages and the very real economic strictures have just dawned on them. But rather than admit they were misled and possiby wrong they are reacting by blaming everyone else. It's like a toddler promised pudding who knows he has to eat the main course first but is looking at what is being served and screaming "That's too much and I want my pudding NOW!"

Fennel Fri 27-Sept-19 18:05:11

abbey Very good post - I can understand now why you feel angry.

growstuff Fri 27-Sept-19 18:04:32

Joelsnan I don't understand the reference "Even Aaron Banks this week."

varian Fri 27-Sept-19 18:04:07

OK Joeslsnan please tell us in what way we and our children and our granchildren could possibly be better off if our wonderful country was deprived of the great advantage of EU membership.

I am so myopic I just can't see it at all.

grapefruitpip Fri 27-Sept-19 18:03:47

*GG13
Same here, can't wait. Yippee*

But why? Why? I don't understand the excitement.

Joelsnan Fri 27-Sept-19 18:00:51

varian
Your myopia is truly concerning.

varian Fri 27-Sept-19 17:54:31

I have never heard any Remainers say "all leavers are drunks"

I have never heard any Remainers say "all leavers are racists"

I have never heard any Remainers say "all leavers are stupid"

These are just things that leavers accuse Remainers of when they cannot respond to the question "how could we possibly be better off if we left the EU?"

GracesGranMK3 Fri 27-Sept-19 17:53:34

and were told that representative democracy was being devolved to directly to the electorate and the decision they made would be honoured?). Fri 27-Sep-19 17:32:36

Where and who said all of that abbey? I simply don't believe anyone mentioned representative or direct democracy at the time. I think it is an untruth and would like some reference before it becomes worth reading any of the rest of your post.

grapefruitpip Fri 27-Sept-19 17:51:38

abbey, did people here call you those awful names.....surely not? They would be deleted I think?

Joelsnan Fri 27-Sept-19 17:33:43

GG3
So all leavers are drunks? That explains a great deal.

Your response actually says a lot about you.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 27-Sept-19 17:33:40

GGMK3 yet another slur on those who voted leave we are now all drunks..........the glass flowing over is a metaphor for a full and happy life!!

abbey Fri 27-Sept-19 17:32:36

I am one of the angry ones. I voted to leave the EU ( you remember, that referendum where we all got given a say and were told that representative democracy was being devolved to directly to the electorate and the decision they made would be honoured?).

I am not a person inclined to anger normally . Indeed I am noted for my patience and my slow fuse in most situations. But I am angry.

I am angry because I have been abused, insulted, called names , like gammon, swivel, loon, fruitcake, fascist, old, told to go off and die and worse. Told I should not have been allowed to vote, that I should never be allowed to vote again because I am so thick. I didnt know what I had voted for. I was stupid , didnt deserve to live and it went on and on.

I have been disrespected and ignored by those who are supposed to be doing the democratic will. For three years I have stood by and had those insults hurled at me. I have said nothing. I have done nothing because I believed ( and maybe this was stupid and thick and fruit cake and all the rest) , I believed that democracy meant that the decision to leave the EU would be honoured.

Now I see that is not the case. So I am angry. I am disgusted at those who have spent three years landing abuse on me and insulting me expecting me to agree with them. I am angry at their inability to see how their own actions have brought the anger of others about and down on them.

Whilst you remainers have been marching, crying shouting and insulting , I have been working, quietly doing my job, getting on with things. I thought letting you scream it out was the way forward but clearly you saw that quiet attitude as a weakness in me.

Now I am angry and you see that as a weakness. In my view you are all nasty lazy good for nothing , want something off the back of others but wont work for it louts who shout and cry and overturn democracy. Yes. I am VERY ANGRY .

Yet you still have the gaul to think you know why I am angry? They read and learn. IT is YOU who have made me angry. YOU who have defied democracy brought about a tin pot dictatorship in your desire to stay in a failed social, political and economic cartel. YOU who are still denying me my right to say anything.

You Hypocrites. You can get angry, hurl insults , but when I do it you look amazed ( like the school bullies you are) and say " What me? What did I do" The butter wouldnt melt in your snowflake mouths syndrome.

Look at yourselves, some of you, you are still doing the insulting and then want to know why anyone gets angry?

Joelsnan Fri 27-Sept-19 17:31:38

growstuff
No, it is not what I expected.
I thought that we lived in a country that was democratic and I have always voted not knowing whether my choice was a winner or loser, however, understanding how democracy works I always accepted whatever the outcome was. At times disappointed, but I accepted the outcomes. I must admit my surprise at the leave vote winning the referendum.
I am stunned how those who voted remain have totally destroyed any semblance of democracy and continue to pervert the outcome despite their claims of foul play being conclusively proved to be wrong. Even Aaron Banks this week.
The myopia of many remainers remind me of a ‘one minute manager’ book called ‘who stole my cheese’ which some should read, though I doubt that they would seen the intent.

The world does not solely comprise the EU, we are an intelligent, educated, enterprising nation, who, if all the naysayers became cheerleaders could achieve great things.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 27-Sept-19 17:31:05

Sorry jura2 that post was to GGMK3

GrannyGravy13 Fri 27-Sept-19 17:29:47

jura2 I had a vote, I used it.

I am not bitter towards people who voted differently to me.

I am not filled with hatred, I am an upbeat happy person, always have been even when we have had troubled times as a family and when we have lost loved ones, I have been heartbroken and miss them everyday but our family saying is life is for the living and I live my life for those who cannot.

I am getting frustrated with the antics in the H of P, but unless there is a GE or another referendum there is nothing I can do. People can write to their MPs sign petition after petition, I prefer to live my one life to the best of my ability, with my family and friends.

If I have to change my medications for a while, due to an initial shortage I will, I trust my GP and local pharmacist.

Worrying is not going to change the current political situation in the U.K.

jura2 Fri 27-Sept-19 17:25:49

Gove certainly was in the House yesterday - did you see him? Scary. Perhaps he was worse than drunk- and borrowed a bit of Cummings stash. Have you ever watched his eyes/pupils? That rarely happens 'by chance' for anyone who has ever worked with substance abuse.

GracesGranMK3 Fri 27-Sept-19 17:22:29

Joelsnan this leave voter is a glass full up and brimming over type ??

So all leavers are drunks? That explains a great deal.

GracesGranMK3 Fri 27-Sept-19 17:17:22

The point is you behave like children who have not yet reached the age where they can be held accountable Lemons. The bitterness I see from Leavers, both here and elsewhere is unbelievable.

The Tories know the only way they will win an election is by pushing “the People vs Parliament” and attempting to capture the so-called working-class Leave voter. that means sticking to the language of division. Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings, are entirely unapologetic about it and so are their backers on GN and elsewhere. It is disgusting. No, it is worse than that. I am revolted by these unthinking, greasy pole climbers who are prepared to destroy our country.

jura2 Fri 27-Sept-19 17:16:09

petra 'Do 'some' of you realise what an impact free movement of people ( particularly from the eastern block) had on the economies of these countries.
They were just beginning to get to grips with a market economy ( after the communist years) and then their brightest and best are 'lured' away.
I can't blame the people who left but I saw the impact it had on business and health ( Hospitals)'

yes, this is clear. But is happening all over the world. In the UK, we have been poaching the best of nurses and doctors, trained at massive cost by other countries, often poor countries - to work for us. When I spent over half a year in a Swiss hospital when I had my terrible car accident- most of the nurses were either French or British - attracted by much better conditions and much larger salaries. This is still the case now- in fact, since the Brexit vote, a large number of British doctors, nurses and teachers have come to work in the EU and Switzerland- or are working at achieving the correct level of French, German, etc- to be able to do so. Work load and stress halved and better, and salary vastly higher.

In my part of Switzerland, 1000s upon 1000s of French workers come to work every day- making it very difficult for French hospitals, care homes and industries, to recruit- as salaries are much much higher here, plus the exchange rate really favourable to them.

But agree with your comment.

varian Fri 27-Sept-19 17:00:07

Have these happy leavers never wondered whether their "glass half full" is in fact a poisoned challice?

petra Fri 27-Sept-19 16:55:46

GG13
Same here, can't wait. Yippee

varian Fri 27-Sept-19 16:54:11

Dominic Cummings Says Brexit Battle Is A 'Walk In The Park' Compared To Referendum

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-brexit_uk_5d8d1397e4b0e9e76049cbc9

Unelected dictator pulling the strings?

Is anyone happy with that?

petra Fri 27-Sept-19 16:52:40

Do 'some' of you realise what an impact free movement of people ( particularly from the eastern block) had on the economies of these countries.
They were just beginning to get to grips with a market economy ( after the communist years) and then their brightest and best are 'lured' away.
I can't blame the people who left but I saw the impact it had on business and health ( Hospitals)

growstuff Fri 27-Sept-19 16:50:45

It's going to be about more than a bit of short term pain! What is the gain anyway? I'm not being sarcastic. I really want to know, because I genuinely can't see any.

growstuff Fri 27-Sept-19 16:46:18

I wasn't being sarcastic. It was a genuine question. Is this what you expected?

GrannyGravy13 Fri 27-Sept-19 16:45:50

Joelsnan this leave voter is a glass full up and brimming over type ??