Why are "Leavers" so angry?

Joelsnan I'm glad you read the link. Did you read the full document?

The researchers did actually make some suggestions for going forward, such as quality education/training and investment.

However, what they also pointed out was that there is no guarantee that EU subsidies in the area will be replaced or that low skilled work will be replaced by better paid and more satisfying work. It could just as well mean that unemployment in the area will increase.

The researchers also make the very valid point that funding from the UK government is precarious, whereas EU funding is more long term and can be relied upon. They also point out that UK governments have a very poor record on long term planning for regeneration and infrastructure.

There is no suggestion that the people aren't hard-working, so I'm not sure where you got that from.

London Granny but is this an American cartoon?
In English the word is “draught”.
Draft has a whole different meaning, such as “draft dodgers”

I wonder how Leavers feel about being linked with his man? www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/billy-charlton-sunderland-justice-rape-campaign-tommy-robinson-brexit-a9123376.html
I don't think anyone coud find me a Remain supporter who has done anything similar. I know most of you are not like this but doesn't the link and the idea that you may have helped him feel legitimised worry you?

The fact that Blair and Branson are remainers tells you absolutely nothing anymore than the equally loathsome Johnson and Rees-Mogg tells you anything about Leavers. These statements, like the ones about the better off and academics, are so obviously indefensible it is embarrassing.

On another thread I have written about the many (academic) economists who support Brexit. Yes, they are outnumbered by those who don't, but sweeping judgements about academics are unsupportable.

Yes, most Remain votes came from areas with more graduates, higher employment and higher than average incomes, but most Leave voters were in the regions that were most dependent on trade with the EU. Not sure what that implies www.ft.com/content/1ce1a720-ce94-3c32-a689-8d2356388a1f

That may explain the number of leave fanatics on GN compared with MN. Perhaps if there was a GGN there would be a majority of Remainers posting.

varian...especially for you.

TheEU was set up to promote peace and co-operation between European nations and end the animosity that led to three major European wars in the 70 years before 1945. In the 75 years since then, there has not been one major European conflict. Peace and co-operation between nations is what the EU was set up for and still has as its prime motive.

I was interested to read some recent research by the London School of Economics that showed that extremely old people, those 80 and over who remembered the last war, were far more likely to vote Remain than Leave and the reason they gave for doing so was the contribution the EU has made to European peace and that, unlike their parents and grandparents, they had lived all but the earliest years of their lives without having to fight or see their children and grandchildren have to go to war.

MostLeavers are between the ages of 50 - 75.

I've not seen any Remain MPs sprawling on the green benches like the disrepectful Mogg

Which policies?

humptydumpty
what does the fact that lying and law-avoiding BJ )to mention a cople) and disrespectful JR-M sprawling across the HoC bebches say about leavers?

It says nothing because leave voters are more concerned with policies rather than personalities.
For every lying, slouching leave MP there is an equally odious remain MP so all the ‘he said/she said, he did/she did’ is pointless and now boring.

day6 so what does the fact that lying and law-avoiding BJ )to mention a cople) and disrespectful JR-M sprawling across the HoC bebches say about leavers?

Day6 IMP there are far too many Remainers to be "moneyed in the main and from academia". About 1.2 million of the population earn over £100,000. (2016 figures) The number of academics working in Universities was just under 195,000 in 2015. So, you are talking about less than 1.5 million people. (I've used 2015 and 2016 figures because it's too much trouble at this time of night to look further but I doubt that more up to date figures would be significantly different)

So, the vast majority of Remainers are not as you described.

What do you mean by voting cred?

Brexit will not fit in long grass anymore.

Exactly lemon.

I remember our local socialist coming out in force with their banners years ago, decrying the capitalist EU and the way in which it kept the poorest workers down.

Bob Crow, a leading union man always spoke out against the EU.

Socialists have always been anti EU, but I get the feeling now that remainers tend to be the people removed from ordinary life as it is lived. They are moneyed in the main and from academia and their voting cred is at stake.

The fact that slimy Tony Blair and the loathe some Branson are remainers says it all.

Leaving the EU is, and always was, a project of hedge fund billionaires, ex-patriot newspaper proprietors and foreign governments who want to de-stabilise the West by weakening the EU.

The main weapon of these evil forces was to indoctrinate the impoverished, hard-done-by folk into thinking that the EU was the cause of their impoverishment and brexit was the answer.

Since they control the media, that has not been too difficult to achieve.

growstuff
Yes I read the link that*woodmouse*. Posted and saw many similarities with Mansfield and the place I am living now.
I agree with much of his findings however I think he missed a big point which is given the opportunity these communities could thrive. They are of hardworking stock, there are people who, given a bit of financial help and guidance would generate work for themselves and others there are very many innovative folk. The researcher misses out on this and seems to focus on the potential loss of funding which currently comes via EU whilst ignoring home grown potential and commercial potential in the wider world.

Well if that is your only response I shall regard my argument as won and your 19.33 post as largely untrue and unprovable.

What a lot of unsubstatiated rubbish you post about the migrant workforce, low pay and the EU

I suggest you bother the *Socialist Worker( then - and the socialists responsible for that left wing publication might put you straight.

Leaving the EU has always been a left wing cause - not a middle class moneyed one, as it is now. (Ask Corbyn and McDonnell etc.)

One of the Marxists who supports what The Socialist Worker wrote is Jeremy Corbyn.Not that you would know it at the moment ( keen to get into number10) but it has always been his belief and why he has been against the EU for forty years.

Day 6 What a lot of unsubstatiated rubbish you post about the migrant workforce, low pay and the EU.
Low pay in the UK is massively influenced by the presence of zero hours contracts which are banned in some EU country and severely restricted in others.
As for union membership there is a network of support for migrant workers across the EU www.etuc.org/en/issue/union-migrant-network

That will be difficult Joelsnan because there aren’t any!

growstuff
Alas, it seems that those who voted to leave the EU prefer to carry on their point scoring and angry ranting. [sigh]

Please validate this statement with examples.

The SW has always been against the EU because they see it as the ultimate capitalist organisation. There is a tiny number of Marxists who support this.

Since when have you supported Marxism Day6?

Ehh? Where on earth do you get the idea that the number of Leavers is growing by the day? Have you been on a course is spreading Trumpian Fake News?

I tried to encourage a sensible discussion by mentioning WOODMOUSE's link. WOODMOUSE supports Leave, so it's not exactly an anti-Brexit rant and it contains some sound research-based fact and opinion.

Alas, it seems that those who voted to leave the EU prefer to carry on their point scoring and angry ranting. [sigh]