Why are "Leavers" so angry?

jura, sorry what do you mean at 15.08?

But it wasn't in the EU.

The UK is going to have to sign all sorts of trade and commercial and economic cooperation agreements with all sorts of different countries.

You can't blame the EU for that.

Joelsnan, thank you for explaining so fully your reasons for wanting to leave the EU. I quite understand how these issues would have led you to this position.

I, too, am concerned about our infrastructure being owned by foreign, albeit EU, countries. I would not be unhappy to see a Labour government re-nationalise our utilities.

As for manufacturing, I agree that our manufacturing industry is in a sorry state, but I suspect that this is much more because of cheap imports from Asia than from the EU.

Where the movement of labour across the EU is concerned, I think there are issues. There are both benefits and problems associated with free movement.

My belief is that all these issues are better addressed through negotiation from within the EU, rather than by turning our backs on it altogether. I honestly believe that the alternatives are far worse.

growstuff
Diplomatic relations between Poland and the European Economic Community began on 16 September 1988. A year later, on 19 September 1989, during the first visit of the Chairman of the Committee of Ministers of the EEC to Poland, an agreement was signed on trade and commercial and economic cooperation in Warsaw.

newnanny, you say, "I hope Boris can find a way to get us out without a deal now. Any deal can come after we come out so on more equal terms with EU". I think that only works if both sides are as powerful as each other. EU would have the upper hand and the UK would lose out.

My observation would be that Remainers seem just as angry !

strange understanding of 'communism' for sure.

The problem now is that ALL trust in the Tory government has now gone

But it hasn't. At least 17.4 million people are cheering on Boris. Not because he is Boris, but because he is one of the few MPs in the HOC who is determined to deliver Brexit. (Which virtually all MPs voted for in triggering Article 50, remember.)

All trust in our remainer parliament is gone with their inability to stick to their promises and respect the result of the referendum. Our trust trickled away nearly three years ago. They have caused this log-jam when we should now, by rights be out of the EU and negotiating with other countries and the EU as to how we trade in future. Do they have no shame?

Thanks for your detailed reply Joelsnan, an interesting read.

I have visited Poland a couple of times, away from anywhere touristy. The impression I had was that communism has left a very large stamp on the collective mentality.

I think pay was about 10 zl an hour and a snack type meal would be about 20 zl. So 2 hours hard graft for a snack. Rents are very high as is the cost of living.

Good grief! Just read Peonyrose's post. If ever there evidence were needed of an "angry leaver" …

Peonyrose: 'I think there has been a campaign to halt, disrupt and stop Brexit, not following the referendum, by remainers petulant at losing. '

petulant did you say- could it be they are rightly concerned about how the results of the Ref were won, but so much more importantly, about our Sovereign Laws, and even more importantly, the clear and unequivocal evidence at the massive risks to the country and individuals if we go out with No Deal? Perhaps?

Even Rachel Johnson didn't deny that he could be pulling her brother's strings.

I think Cummings is thrilled by winning - it's a game to him. He couldn't give two hoots about anybody who gets in his way.

I find the best strategy is to ignore the wind up merchants.

Remainer groups have been calling for peaceful opposition for ages.

Sorry another typo should have been quality and integrity.

Lucky girl I fear you are right. Dominic Cummings seems to be relishing the level of aggression and said at a book signing he was enjoying himself and Brexit would be a piece of cake. I find this unelected person who seems to be calling all the tunes very sinister indeed and am wondering what his real motives are and who is pulling his strings. It is a very worrying time.

Everyone is getting het up now that ‘technically’ Brexit is only 34 days away.

This was always going to bubble up right at the end.

I think there has been a campaign to halt, disrupt and stop Brexit, not following the referendum, by remainers petulant at losing. I personally don't know any people angry over it, more incredulous that it's been such an awful 3 years and fed up to the back teeth. We just need an end to it, that exchange with 'that' woman. Spitting venom across the house, the response by Boris was in this instance measured, it was purposely misconstrued, she bought Jo Cox into it, pm just meant if Brexit happened, perhaps the country could start getting some work done and see to other matters, not hurling threats and insults across the house. Her behaviour was like that of an irate fish wife. This juvenile emotive language is disgusting, I wouldn't let children watch it. I am rapidly giving up hope of any resolution to this dirty mess. I think we need to think long and hard of the quite and integrity if those speaking for us, from what I have witnessed they just gave their isn't agenda regardless of what Joe public wants.

An example of an angry leaver can be found on the thread:

AIBU-in-thinking-that-the-appalling-behaviour-in-Parliament-is-reflecting-the-general-mood-when-it-should-be-trying-to-set-an-example-to-improve-relations-with-each-other

where there a a lengthy and vitriolic rant.

I agree with Lemongrove. Online the abuse is far worse from Remainers especially in the neoliberal press like the Guardian, Independent or Huff Post. It is where Remainers vent their spleen against Leavers.

The EDL and BF with some from Brexit Party will use every dirty trick in the book to incite violence from the other side- and get it all kicking- saying 'it was them what started it' ...

Remain groups all over the UK must urgently get together to train and prepare for this. NOW.

Does anybody know whether Kate Hoey is receiving death threats?

I don't think that leavers like the fact that our own laws are made by our own parliament and adjudicated on by our own Supreme Court.

growstuff, yes- this is it it seems. And very very scary- it has Cummings dirty hands all over too.

Remainers will have to summon all their strength and patience, dignity and humanity- NOT to be goaded- and just sit down and put head between knees- and never ever allow incitors of violence to get riots started.