Why are "Leavers" so angry?

It is just not true that all our MPs voted to invoke Article 50.

SNP, Plaid Cymru and the Liberal Democrats opposed the bill, while 47 Labour MPs and Tory ex-chancellor Ken Clarke rebelled.

Does it therefore follow that anybody to the left is violent and full of hate?

Any more than those men filmed brandishing pictures of gallows at pro-Brexit demos are fully representative of the far right... I think Leavers would say that they are just a few isolated cases

As I recall, a similar banner was put up at the last tory conference. It's horrific, whoever does it, but not indicative of the feelings of the majority.

Yes, Firecracker, one has to wonder if the fight to remain in the EU is mainly from the moneyed middle classes, and to hell with the poorest?

The number of Leave voters is growing by the day. Everyone I speak to, Remainer or Leaver is contemptuous of our Remainer Parliament trying to overthrow democracy.

I really do not know how people like Corbyn, a professed socialist, can sleep at night.

our contemporary views of the relationship between wealth and the wealth creators when it comes to the division of 'profit' and entitlement to monetary reward

And yet you want to remain in the EU, the very institution which relies on a migrant workforce of low paid workers?

No wonder big business wants to remain. A unionised workforce is one which will not kowtow to unfair practices and wages. Migrant workers cannot belong to a Union given the free movement policy of the EU.

Low skilled workers are servile and do not benefit from the huge profits bosses make as a result of their cheap labour. You surely must be aware that the EU is a bastion of capitalism and that most outspoken socialists - like Corbyn - are well aware of the knock-on effect of permanently low wages?

We talk often of poorly paid and seasonal EU workers in the UK. People desperate for work often accept a pittance and the EU fans the flames of austerity.

The EU was set up as a capitalist trading bloc—and it will remain so. Membership of the EU depends on sticking to its pro-market policies

So, for instance, even though an EU country could own a single rail company, rules demanding market competition mean it could never nationalise the entire industry.

The truth is that everything the EU does is in the interests of big business and the bosses

The above from The Socialist Worker.

It's the Remainers not the Leavers that are angry and bitter doing everything in their power to stop Brexit. I would be ecstatically happy if we left on the 31st October 2019 and I'm sure 17.4 million and counting would be as well.

*The left wing in action Urms.

Violent, and full of hatred. Disgraceful*

How many people do you think did this? Let's assume it was a maximum of 20. Does it therefore follow that anybody to the left is violent and full of hate?

The way things are heading the whole left/right thing is in flux.

sarahellenwhitney ?
Sorry, am at a loss to understand your last post.

I know MaizieD Andy Burnham is a decent man.

It’s the fact it was put up at all. You can’t fix stupid.

Bet that doesn't make front page news or the BBC

Indeed. I'd put money on that Firecracker.

The news is more skewed and biased than ever before.

The left wing in action Urms.

Violent, and full of hatred. Disgraceful.

Johnson just has naked ambition and takes whatever stance he thinks will further his personal ambition

You know if I wrote

"Corbyn just has naked ambition and takes whatever stance he thinks will further his ambition"

Many, many people would agree, including major political commentators who have questioned why Corbyn, this most prominent Eurosceptic, for all of his political career, has done a complete u turn on his long held principles.

Corbyn is the supreme hypocrite. Pot, kettle, black as they say.

Could be they are ++++++ sorry lemon grove by the remain crowd constantly twittering they don't know which side their bread is buttered.

Bet that doesn't make front page news or the BBC.

And, Ug, it was promptly ordered to be removed by the Labour Mayor of Manchester.

Now this truly IS shocking.

The Tory party conference is here in Manchester. This banner was put up on a bridge in Salford, ten minutes drive away, today.

MaizieD
It benefits the British economy because it is, on the whole, spent into the British economy. Benefits don't just disappear into a big lack hole; they are spent into the economy.

My question about remittances was in response to your comment in the above paragraph. No it doesn't go into a black hole and no it is not all spent in the UK economy. Apparently in 2018 more than £8 billion were sent as remittances worldwide from the UK, resulting in it being the fourth largest source of remittances Pakistan and Nigeria being the highest recipients.
By the way, I have not stated at any point that the remittances were only an EU issue.
FYI:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-46223217

I perfectly understand the context of the 'remittances', Joelsnan. It's something which has been going on for along, long time.

However, it was mentioned as an 'assertion'. I was just wondering what the evidence was to back it up.

MaizieD
I think if you read further up the thread you will understand the context of remittances

Also, does anyone have any figures for the amount of money EU workers get from in work benefits?

It strikes me that there are a number of hypotheticals being aired here...

As I predicted:

Have you heard of remittances?
Where diaspora send most of their earnings home?

Yes, I did mention that. And wondered just how much money leaves the economy because of it. Do you have any figures, Joelsnan?

Also noted that it isn't only EU workers who do it. Shall we vote against belonging to the rest of the world because of it?

jura2
How many Brits work in the French economy? how many are self employed and how many are retirees. I think you will find the majority have little no impact on the french workforce or benefits system. All have to take our medical insurance too.

I suppose some of the diaspora have historic links with the UK due to the Commonwealth and the Empire.

Jura
Yes, I know, I worked abroad for a number of years.

However, what most Brits do when they move to the EU is buy run down houses that locals wouldn't buy. Get the white vans to take B & Q kitchens flat packed and do up the properties to better than locals standard.
They mainly spend their money in the local economies. Yes some do order HP sauce and PG tips from home. No matter where you live a few home comforts are welcome.
I know there were cheers all around when sunblest bread was found in a supermarket in the UAE.

Yes Joelsnan 'Have you heard of remittances?
Where diaspora send most of their earnings home?
It is what many overseas workers do.'

this is what British expats do all over the EU. Save to buy a house back in the UK, support kids living back home still with parents (with my higher child allowances than in UK for sure), they go home regularly to buy clothes and all sorts to bring back, or order on line. There are fleets of white vans coming back and forth to France delivering goods of all types bought on line in UK by expats. Many do anything they can to spend as little money as possible locally.

And when they become unemployed, even if by choice- they get paid 80% of salary for 2 years, with free training, support, language and IT courses, etc. etc.

Who mentionned pension age recently- as one reason to Leave the EU. IDS has announced he is planning to raise it, after Brexit to 75 (over a period of time)