Something’s afoot!
The SNP’s embrace – with a public show of reluctance – for the idea of sending Jeremy Corbyn into Downing Street shows the mounting tetchiness among Remainers that somehow Boris will be able to get around the Benn Act, and thereby leave the UK hurtling towards a no deal by the end of next month unless they take action.
What are your thoughts on what’s going on?
Andy Burnham is being interviewed by Shelagh Fogarty on LBC.
He says he'd be inclined to vote for Johnson's deal on Saturday and Manchester voted Remain.
The money markets don't believe that the gun Foster is pointing at Britain is loaded.
I honestly think this is it. Remain as a position will be dead by Saturday evening.
SPAD = special adviser
There are less leaks from this Cabinet since that SPAD of Sajid Javid’s (who previously worked for Eeyore Hammond) got sacked by Dominic Cummings.
I heard 1 p.m. as a time when we might hear something, but really who knows?
I suspect we are in for another day of it's on, it's off, it's on, it's off .....
6 wasted months, what a waste of space this government is.
70 billion it is being reported that it has cost the tax payers so far.
@BBCkatyaadler
makes key point: EU won’t be railroaded into Johnson’s timetable. UK has had six months to come up with new proposals. It has chosen to do so in the final six days. Johnson dug this ditch - it’s not the EU’s fault if he chooses to die in it
Oopsminty, in regard to your post @10:19 today, I feel there are many who feel that the result of the Referendum must be upheld and those people are from both those who voted leave and remain.
However, I believe that less than one-third of those who did vote in the Referendum feel that it is rational for Britain to leave the European Union without a properly negotiated withdrawal agreement.
Reports that the deal is falling apart.
Nothing confirmed though.
Urmstongran Quote [Does the A50 rule about leaving without a deal after 2 years of negotiations trump the new Act?] End Quote.
It is widely being stated that the EU article fifty rule does not supersede the Benn Act.
However, it would be totally rediculas for Johnson to approach the European Court for a ruling in view of all this man has stated in regard to the European Court "interfering" in British justice.
Remember the leave slogan, "take back control."
Urmstongran, it is not my party, and I'll cry if I want to.
We will all cry when it hits us, hard. And we will blame you, for sure.
Just watching Jeremy Vine. There's a Brexit show on tonight on Channel 5. It's a combined effort with ITV.
They questioned 26.000 people and one of the questions was
'Do you think we should abide by the Referendum result and Leave?'
54% Yes
32% No
14% Don't Know
Which was a bit of a surprise as we are being informed by many on different forums that people have changed their minds.
Also there's a BBC article here saying pretty much the same thing
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50043549
Quite interesting. I keep reading that many Brexiteers have changed their minds, ( not that I know any) but it appears it's not the case.
Well recent polling is very reassuring, majority wants it. So no reason to cry if no-deal comes.
My thought exactly this gloomy morning
John Harris
I would just like to say that it’s a wonderful thing to wake up in a country whose future is the hands of Mark François, Iain Duncan Smith, Steve Baker & Arlene Foster.
Thank you.
Could it be that after doing his best, the plan goes to the HoC for a vote, gets thrown out and we leave on 31 October without a deal?
Yes, I appreciate there is the Benn Dover Act with the mandatory begging letter to consider but Boris” team do seem to be sticking to their guns. Does the A50 rule about leaving without a deal after 2 years of negotiations trump the new Act?
How could any expect Scotland let alone England and Wales to accept this? As I see it Northern Ireland seems to be staying in the EU Single Market(?) with a red channel for separate trading to and from the UK(?) And a vote on whether this is what they want(?). Question marks are because I don't believe I can have got this right.
Bolted on is a free trade deal which appeared to be Canada minus minus. According to those, who can do the maths I can't, this is worse for us than May's deal and much worse still than what we have now. All this because people who are not experts (except in making themselves rich) want us to do this.
It looks very much as if Johnson is prepared to break up the United Kindom to gain a Brexit utopia that does not even exist.
As stated he resigned from Mays cabinet stating he would not be part of any proposals that gave rise to Northern Ireland being treated differently to the rest of Britain.
Now as Prime Minister it is being reported that he is prepared to throw the Northern Irish people "under the bus", with exactly the same plan. And they wonder why people have lost all faith in the British political system
Am I missing something? Wasn’t the border down the Irish Sea the reason the DUP and ERG voted down May’s deal? And the reason B Johnson resigned from the cabinet? All those leavers who knew what they were voting for might explain. Is this a Tory stitch up? Or a Trojan horse?
I would never presume to predict anything but the bookies' odds do not look good for the brexiters.
www.paddypower.com/politics/uk-brexit
Of course everyone would surely have to agree with that sentiment GGmk3 I just hope getting a deal ameliorates as much collateral damage as is possible.
I have just seen an advert on tv about ‘Get Ready for Brexit on 31 October’. First time I’ve seen it (mind you I don’t watch much ITV - I’m staying with my aunt hence more viewing!) perhaps it’s been showing a while?
Anyway, it is understood that both sides are close to an agreement on the ‘dual’ customs territory regime for Northern Ireland – it’s the future relationship that is proving the main sticking point.
Unlike Theresa May’s political declaration, which took the backstop as a starting point and called for ‘close regulatory alignment’ with the EU, Boris is pushing for a free trade deal that leaves the UK fully independent to strike new deals around the world.
In return for such a “zero-tariff, zero-quota” deal, the EU wants the UK to accept the “level playing field” requirements to stop Britain undercutting Brussels.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel apparently let the cat out of the bag yesterday when she put the UK on a par with China and US as a ‘potential competitor’ (as if the idea of Britain actually going it alone had only just occurred to her).
can can't
It does need to end. But at the cost of us losing businesses? I do not and will not agree that seeing people and businesses as collateral can possibly be good leadership when there is no necessity to drive our economy down.
I disagree, sorry. A decision needs to be made then businesses can plan going forward. This 3+ years state of flux needs to end.
Business does need certainty UG, but not the wrong sort of certainty as that will give a very short-lived boost.
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