33 days to go .... What’s the Brexit plan?

as regards EU citizen’s right our government has been more than fair and welcoming. Anyone here already is welcome to stay on the same terms and conditions.

Please explain to me then why after 48 years in this country I now have to apply for the permission to stay?

Also, check the 3 Million website and read their concerns - they are genuine.

I posted the following on another thread. Is this how we make our EU nationals feel welcome?

QUOTE: Brandon Lewis, the security minister, said European citizens living in the UK risked being sent home if they fail to apply for permanent residence by the end of 2020. EU citizens will “face the full force of the hostile environment”.
The Home Affairs Committee: “It is clear that the government have not learned the lessons from the Windrush scandal, which showed how easily individuals can fall through gaps in the system through no fault of their own, and how easily lives can be destroyed if the government gets this wrong.”
Christine Jardine, the Lib Dem home affairs spokesperson,said it was clear that Boris Johnson had no intention of automatically guaranteeing the rights of EU citizens.

She said: “No one seriously believes the Home Office will have granted settled status to all 3.6 million EU citizens by the Conservatives’ arbitrary December 2020 deadline.

Thousands will inevitably be left effectively undocumented –and now the government is saying it will deport them.That is totally unacceptable." END QUOTE

One is almost tempted to declare Johnson’s deal

“The Surrender Deal”

But of course I wouldn’t use such language

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But the deal is unlikely to be passed UG. I don't quite understand what you are thinking.

After 48 years here I’m sure you’ll be allowed to stay! Why on earth would you be asked to Leave? How come it’s not straightforward for you Greta I don’t understand?

Also, a deal will suit all those ex pats who were (according to jura2) sick and worried about having to sell up and return here because No Deal Brexit left them without reciprocal health care.

Greta I’m confused. Surely all you have to do is ‘apply to stay’ then? Have you not done so yet?

I have friends who went on line months ago using the government website link. It was straightforward and took them 10 minutes. Sorted!

Why not you?

After 48 years here I’m sure you’ll be allowed to stay!

Says who? Greta has already explained her situation.

Perhaps she is mindful of the Windrush situation ...."deport first and hear appeals later"

I wouldn't trust the Home office to get things right. There was case in the paper the other day of a British Mother with a 2yo child born in the USA where the child was told to leave the UK she hadn't been in the UK for 7 years!

As an aside.

What has the 10 billion bung been spent on?

Urmstongran Sorry to say this, but you quite clearly have no idea what a minefield staying in the UK is proving for some people.

I have a friend whose mother is Danish, but has lived in the UK for over 40 years, since coming here as an au pair and getting married. She has had four children in the UK and is still married to the same man.

Due to the nature of her husband's work, she has never had a permanent, full time job. She's very much a "traditional housewife" and has no bills in her name. As a result, she doesn't have a dossier with proof of her residence over the last 40 years.

As an EU citizen, it hasn't been a problem for her - until now. Proving that she has lived in the UK continuously for the last 40 years has proved a nightmare. The onus has been on her to prove that she's had children born in the UK (although even that isn't good enough to prove residence) and to prove any evidence of address that she has. It's already cost her thousands of pounds to employ a solicitor because the whole thing is such a minefield. People are expected to sort it all out online, which is a real problem for some elderly citizens, especially as only some smartphone software works and it's almost impossible to speak to a real human being. Tick the wrong box and people could end up being deported.

There are thousands (if not millions) of people in the same situation. Quite frankly, your assurance that they should be allowed to stay isn't really good enough.

Sorry growstuff and Greta I truly did not mean to be offensive. I’m bemused.

growstuff surely the Danish lady in question has been registered all (or most) of these years with a doctor’s surgery. I know I have. Hospital records will corroborate being referred to the antenatal clinic by that GP. If not, then she really has lived ‘off grid’ for 40 years! Folic acid was prescribed for pregnant mums to be even then. She must have been allocated an NHS number.

What about voting? She will be on the electoral roll surely?

No bank account? Suppose not as stay at home housewife. Signed affidavits from long standing neighbours perhaps?

Where there’s a will and a guiding solicitor ...

Maybe Boris will ask the DUP for a rebate WWmk2!

Actually WWmk2 the ‘confidence and supply’ pact with the DUP was one billion, not ten.
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So true

Sara Gibbs

Theresa May right now is every woman who’s ever said an idea in a meeting & had everyone ignore her only for a man to say the same idea two minutes later & have everyone congratulate him.

Chestnut Whitewavemark2 - you and Varian can rant all you like but remainers are in the minority. This is the largest survey since the referendum and was part of a debate last night on Channel 5. It clearly shows the majority of people want to LEAVE THE EU.

No, actually the question asked was (as illustrated in your
post which I don't know how to copy) "Should the UK abide by the 2019 Referendum result and leave the EU" There are remain voters on this forum who have declared they think the result has to be respected but that doesn't mean they want to leave the EU.

Thank you, growstuff, the problems you have highlighted are not uncommon.

Urmstongran, my first point is this: The government promised that we would automatically be granted the right to stay. There is absolutely nothing automatic about the settled status scheme. I obviously don't understand what a promise is and I don't understand the word automatic. Perhaps a native English speaker can explain it to me.

I have not yet applied for settled status. Brexit hasn't happened yet and who knows how all our lives will change when/if it happens. I have tried to support some very elderly ladies (in their late eighties/early nineties) who are very distraught and cannot possibly manage the settled status on their own. How do you think they feel? It's like pointing a gun at their heads and saying if you don't apply you will be an illegal immigrant and can be deported. Some of them cannot find the documents they need because when they arrived in this country 60 years ago things were different. It is fair to say that some have lost the will to live.

Another thing that many don' t know is that once you have been granted settled status you will, for the rest of your life in the UK, be required to update your records as soon as changes occur. You will not be given a paper document to confirm your settled status. Computer systems fail - where is your proof then?

I have explained this flawed scheme to so many people but I shall stop now because I get the same old comments ”but of course you will be able to stay/it's only a formality/I'm sure you will be all right. ” All meaningless but easily said when you are not affected by this unfair scheme.

Urmstongran Yes, she's on the electoral register to pay council tax, but not eligible to vote because she still has Danish nationality. Yes, she has a UK bank account, but apparently that doesn't prove residence. My daughter still has an Irish bank account from the time she lived in Dublin, but she hasn't lived there for years and doesn't have Irish nationality. Being registered with a doctor's surgery doesn't prove residence either, nor does having children born in the country. With the help of her family, I'm sure she will eventually get it sorted, but it really isn't a simple and straightforward as you seem to claim. Some of the people affected are on their own and some are suffering from dementia. As a solicitor, I would have thought you would appreciate that some people just don't always fit in the square holes the government seems to think they should, even though they have done nothing wrong.

Maybe you could explain to people like my mother's friend what advantages there will be from leaving the EU.

Sorry - friend's mother

My position is that the referendum was advisory, unfortunately it has been found that leave U.K. behaved fraudulently. However, I can accept notwithstanding that there was a narrow victory for leave.

But, in order for it to be placed onto a legitimate footing, I would like to see the eventual deal ( if we ever get one) should be fully disclosed to the electorate and voted on.

That vote should be made legally enforceable.

So true Greta - meaningless until you apply. Hope it goes smoothly for you.

Don't stop Greta! Complacency needs to be challenged.

PS. I was never prescribed folic acid and my children were born more recently than my friend's mother's children.

Greta, what a shabby way to treat old ladies ,who I presume have contributed to this country.

Not every body is tech savvy.

growstuff what on earth made you think I was ever a solicitor?
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Oh greta I have not yet applied for settled status

You seem to be determined to be affronted. It would take you ten minutes (less time than all your posts on the topic!)

Good luck. I’m not being flippant -

Actually Another thing that many don' t know is that once you have been granted settled status you will, for the rest of your life in the UK, be required to update your records as soon as changes occur

I don’t think that’s unreasonable to be honest.