33 days to go .... What’s the Brexit plan?

Thank you for copying that Whitewave. It makes perfect sense to me.

I see Mark Fields (Con) has resigned and his words resonate with me too.

He wrote that his usual “pragmatic, co-operative approach” had been “tested to destruction in the fractious, febrile and deeply divisive aftermath” of the Brexit vote.

It's unbelievable that after all the talk they will devote just one day now to make a decision which will affect millions of people for a very long time. Will an extension be forced upon them and will Johnson end up in a ditch after all?

Junker made the comment that the 48% had been right. Tusk was quite emotional and more statesmanlike than Johnson in his summing up speech. The average high school orator could have done better and what is this pointing the finger and looking at the cameras all about? He looked a fool on the world's stage once again.

Would Juncker have said that the 48% had been wrong?

Doubt it!

The phrase “you can fool all of the people some of the time” springs to mind. The term “backstop” has now become “alternative customs arrangements”, other than that it’s May’s deal rehashed. So now everyone wants it, although I’ve just heard Nigel Farage saying it’s terrible and selling out so his fans might be questioning it.

It’s all down to the numbers tomorrow in Parliament. It will be a close call and could go either way for tuppence.

I wonder if the enthusiasm for another (Remainer) rally planned for tomorrow will have waned somewhat?

Apparently Boris was bullish when he briefed EU leaders last night. One source said: 'He told them, 'It's good to see you all and I will be happy not to see you again.' It was funny and they all knew what he meant.
'He was implying, 'Let's get this done.'

I like Boris and his enthusiasm. People carp on about him all the time on here yet he is so popular in the country.

By the way growstuff I am not lying. I know what we paid for 4 pages of medical translation from Spanish to English last August. I wholeheartedly stand by what I said upthread. Perhaps the Spanish translators just don’t charge as much as over here? Who knows.

Boris is popular with those he has fooled into thinking he's achieved a great deal which is basically the same as May's one with bit of wording changed. Talk about hypocrisy. Almost as hypocritical those who have benefitted from EU membership by living in an EU country and now wanting to deny the same benefit to others.

In the end I wanted the TM deal to pass, so I’m not being a hypocrite. A deal is all about compromise and if both sides end up feeling a little bit cheated then that’s fair in my opinion as it shows a compromise has been reached.

So many people have been howling against No Deal Brexit. Now we have a deal. I sincerely hope it passes tomorrow.

A compromise is the only thing that can begin the healing process in the UK.

I agree a compromise is the only way. I did not like the May deal, but this could be something that could be built on and using the dynamism, innovation, expertise, work ethics, entrepreneurialism, intellect and life ethics of the vast majority of Brits we can show the world.
My only concern now is the eternal pessimists who have little confidence in themselves or the rest of the UK population to advocate and facilitate positive change. Whilst change can be fearful there would never have been any progress without the leap of faith taken towards change.

A compromise is the only thing that can begin the healing process in the UK.

I can tell you right now, GG13 that this 'deal' is not the thing that's going to do it.

So many people have been howling against No Deal Brexit. Now we have a deal. I sincerely hope it passes tomorrow.

With you all the way, Urmstongran

AlltheL’s
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Caroline Lucas
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The more you look into PM deal, the worse it is

It trashes environment, dumps workers’ rights & stokes tension in NI.

And when transition ends in Dec 2020, likely no trade agreement agreed & hard right will get their dream of crash out No Deal Brexit

Re workers rights, my AC is job hunting......" you will start at 8am and finish at 6pm with a half hour lunch break".....How on earth has this happened?

gfp ?? just what the Tories ordered.

We are rushing back to the beginning of the last century.

Thatcher’s children gfp who agreed ‘there’s no such thing as society’. Every man or woman for themselves. When I worked at our local hospital full time for 32y I was always a member of ‘Unison’ trade union. Paid my subscription.

Went on strike a couple of times when called upon to do so - losing a day’s wage (£50) whilst fellow workers - who would in time be beneficiaries of what the union was asking for regards worker’s rights - would look up at me as I left the office and say ‘you’re mad’.

Sad really. Workers need a union. IMO.

I can tell you right now, GG13 that this 'deal' is not the thing that's going to do it.

I agree. What have we got?

•As before we'll pay the EU - although it looks like the bill has come down from £39bn to £33bn
•As before we'll give all EU residents in the UK permanent leave to remain and all UK residents in the EU will get the same although caveat that knowing who is in charge of the Home office.
•As before we'll get a transition to the end of 2020 - but with a possible two-year transition extension, taking us to the end of 2022

The big change being talked about is the change in the NI position but I feel the biggest change is that the guarantees of maintaining human rights, workers rights and environmental guarantees were part of the backstop, so they're no longer in the Withdrawal Agreement. Instead, they've been moved to the Political Declaration; an outline of where we intend to go which can easily be changed.

We are well aware that the ultra-rich "Friends of Boris" are very ready to get rid of our paid holidays, limitations on working hours etc., and anyone who doesn't think they will go is kidding themselves. Johnson and friends have a 'Singapore Agenda' and I do wonder if anyone knows how the average and poor live in Singapore.

Thanks, Leavers. Remember you will, without doubt, be blamed by those who suffer from this. You are choosing to let it happen.

There were 148 Labour constituencies that voted Leave.

If MPs in these areas act honourably and represent their constituencies, they might just restore a little faith in their party and in democracy.

Are we going to send children up chimneys as off 1/11/2019?

What is wrong with asking for a confirmatory vote if you are so sure you view will win, UG?

It's interesting watching Politics Live. The only person being personal, rude and trying to close off debate because "he's right" is the Brexit guy. It seems the way of Brexiters.

I too am with you UrmstonGran 100%

Oh c’mon GGmk3 you’ve got to be kidding! Alistair (Remainer) Campbell was quite bolshy (as always). He was very cross indeed and didn’t want anyone else to get a word in edgeways!

The more of us moderate middle-roaders, the better CrafyGran let’s hope common sense prevails tomorrow and the extremists (on both sides) don’t get to win. It’s time for a deal.
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Oops - missed out the ‘t’ sorry!

...bet he talked a lot of sense though....[Campbell, that is.....]