Johnson and the Civil Contingencies Act

Well good for you Firecracker! Maybe I’m in a Remain part of rage Med.....

Well I'm in Turkey and the Internet is A+.

This war scenario is not a recent phenomenon. For several years now, hardly a day goes by without some tale from WW1 or WW2 being aired on the TV or in the newspapers, and people bathing in the reflected glory of distant relatives' war records.

I agree with the Quakers that there is a concerted effort to militarise the general public and create in its mind a positive image of war - of self-sacrifice, self-sufficiency, bravery and stoicism - with the "Keep Calm and Carry On" sentiment appearing on everything from cushions to tea towels.

These nationalistic (and simplistic) sentiments and images have been heavily relied upon in recruiting strategy but have also come to the fore in the EU debate.

Boris Johnson using words like "surrender" and "capitulation"

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jutYLDL08TQ

We are not at war

Waves at ayes, hoping the wave shows solidarity.
I’m away in another European country, with intermittent WiFi. I’ve been unusually thankful for that mixed blessing. I’m catching up with headlines and forums and finding it difficult to comprehend that some don’t see Johnson GeForce the Liar, cheat and ace manipulator that he is.
ayes is right to remind us of recent history. I do t believe I’m given to over dramatising things but we are living in rather terrifying times

Words are so difficult when there is no body language to go along with what is being said.

Just at the moment it’s very easy to be super sensitive in this difficult political process climate.

It would be so good to be able to exchange views and differ on our opinions without any underlying antagonism.

I hope things will become calmer in the not too distant future. I find it all so concerning at the moment.

There seem to be some very thin skins about today firecracker but upsetting people was never my intention.

Urmstongran I thought it was funny lol.

Brings to mind the Queen song 'Another one bites the dust and another one's gone' ?

I refuse to enter into unpleasantness too ayse

My post to GGmk3 was a joke. Honestly. Surely the jib about doing the ironing was a clue? I’m not mean or unkind in my posts.

If you ARE reading here GGmk3 I sincerely apologise if I’ve hurt your feelings. It was not my intention.

I suggest some folk on here might like to watch the BBC trilogy on the rise of the Nazis. It explains in detail how this right wing dictatorship took power.

It’s also a fact that the British government supported Franco against the then elected socialist government of Spain. All this happened only 80 years ago.

As the historian Mazower points out, the 20th century was a struggle between Stalinism, Fascism (both populist) and Democracy. There is no guarantee that democracy will be upheld.

When once members of the Tory party start expressing their disquiet, I think it is indeed time to be concerned.

I refuse to enter into unpleasantness concerning this, just pointing out that there are lessons to be learned from recent history.

jura2
Of course if your pre-conceptions are robustly challenged this can lead to door slamming,

jura YOU'RE BACK!!
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Oh, no you’ve gone again.

Urmston- it seems that many people feel that some 'jokes' are not funny. And in this case, particularly insensitive in context. Nasty.

Joelsnan ' The HOC voted unanimously to invoke A50 and majority are on film stating that the referendum result should be upheld'

I can assure you there are massive amounts of film showing Farage saying with would be rich and happy like Norway and Switzerland. And so many others saying no-one in their right mind would consider leaving the Customs Union and Common Market, and on, and on. Since then, so much has changed, the fraud and lies proven, and clear that the Irish issue cannot be solved. That the promises of a great deal, the best deal, the fastest deal -is nothing of the sort. And now we have Yellowhammer and the fact that the experts' advice, which you called 'Project Fear' is turning into 'project reality'- with bells on.

Clear too- that those who shout 'democracy' and we want our own Laws back - want the kind of democracy we never had in the UK, and don't really like our own British Sovereign Laws. How can anyone discuss or debate- when threats come from our Leaders at the very top ... and grannies on an internet forum.

Keep the door open, GGmk3- I am out too.

My advice to marchers is to be prepared for attacks and goading- just sit down, heads between your legs, and ignore. They will do anything to get you upset and retaliate. Don't - just sit there and 'take yourself out' of the argument.

It is clear attempting to argue sensibly here is pointless- and just raises the tone, again and again. Perhaps others will choose to take themselves out of this sad equation- I'll keep the door open.

MaizieD
Splitting hairs
Okay, they voted to enable her to write the letter invoking article 50.
Once they had done this did they all say ‘ooops made a mistake, don't send the letter’ No they did not so no matter how you try to manipulate it Parliament enabled the invocation of article 50 and should abide by their lawful decision

Okay crystaltipps I’m happy to stand corrected.

urmstongran yes plenty of dictators have been elected by public vote - you said they hadn’t- your knowledge of modern history should be enhanced- Hitler was a dictator and was voted in as was Mussolini . No one is saying they are the same or similar to Johnson, just challenging your assertion that he couldn’t be a dictator as he would be subject to a public vote (of course he currently isn’t in his position as a result of a public vote ).

The HOC voted unanimously to invoke A50

For the millionth time NO THEY DIDN'T

They voted to allow the PM to invoke A50. I think that at that stage of the game they had no idea how ineptly the PM would handle negotiations with the EU and, they were still a bit panicked by the unexpected result of the referendum. They also had little chance of winning a vote against it as the tories had a majority with the aid of the DUP. And, they were trying to 'respect the result'.

And there were votes against it. It wasn't unanimous.

If Parliaments recent actions had not been to pervert the lawful enactment of the withdrawal bill

I think you might be referring to the Withdrawal Agreement rather than the Withdrawal bill. Aren't you forgetting that the ERG group had a major role to play in stymieing that?

Oh jura you are leaving GN too?

I don’t believe this. At this rate, the political threads will become an echo chamber for Leavers ....

Now there’s a thought!

Severe loss of any perspective on this thread. It was a joke.
Remember those?

‘Humbug’ to quote somebody ...

Urmstongran 'Faux outrage I think here GGmk3

I bet you’ve gone on a cruise with poor internet access and when you return, you’ll have a nice tan and a new name.'

how infantile and unpleasant. And makes me totally understand how GGmk3 is feeling. Been out today having lunch in the mountains with some of the nicest young people in the world and OH - and I told them about GN and how unpleasant and polarised it has become. And it was their advice - their conclusion. Best to opt for silence rather than continue to inflamme.

So I am not going on a cruise, and the suntan I recently got in Italy is fast fading- but I am joining you GG x

jura2
Well it does appear the remain voters are resorting to mob rule. The vast majority of leavers (and quite a few remain voters) see these as anti democracy rallies and yawn inducing and nothing more.
So popular with people who have been shouting about getting our Sovereign Laws back - and yet will condone someone who is clearly prepared to by-Pass our Sovereign Parliament, and our Sovereign Parliamentary Democracy- possible again, and against our own Sovereign Law
If Parliaments recent actions had not been to pervert the lawful enactment of the withdrawal bill there certainly would be no need to try and circumvent the mad house formerly known as The House of Commons.
It must be like trying to reason with goldfish. They say something one minute then forget and contradict thenselves straight away . The HOC voted unanimously to invoke A50 and majority are on film stating that the referendum result should be upheld. At that time they were supposedly the people ‘in the know’. Maybe their millionaire backers started turning the screws to make them suddenly change their minds?

Touche ?

Anything is better than being brainwashed by the unholy trio of Johnson, Grove and Farage [Firecracker123]

Firecracker another one brainwashed by cummings/Johnson/Farage..

Fair point Dinahmo advantage you.
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