Brexit, cutting the red tape

P.S re the 'laptop' comment. The poster meant a laptop for work, not leisure.

I am afraid you are right Maizie. The Ministry of Brexit Truth will yet again try and tell us all 17,410,742 people knew this when they voted. Isn't it strange that 16,141,241 who voted to remain plus all those who didn't vote, because they thought we couldn't be as stupid as it turns out we can, be DID know.

All this does show persistent Leavers in a bad light.
Three years have been spent trying to make what they wanted work while the interests of everyone else were neglected. And the answer is that it won't work without enormous cost to everyone and damage to the economy for several years. I think they should now say to the government. 'Thanks for trying, we supported the idea of Brexit but now realise that it's unworkable.' Simples?

The tide of public opinion has now turned against Brexit and Brits would now vote to stay in the EU, according to a new poll-of-polls.

Analysis of 300 surveys by market research firm Yougov has revealed that public support for Brexit waned a year after the 2016 referendum, and the majority of Brits have supported remaining in the bloc ever since.

www.cityam.com/britain-would-now-vote-to-stay-in-the-eu-mega-poll-reveals/

Surely it is time for the BBC and others to stop allowing brexiters to keep claiming "people just want us to get brexit done". Maybe some people want that but most people just want to STOP BREXIT and that has been the case for more than two years.

We need a second referendum! - not after a GE, it should be a single-issue vote.

Varian Agree with you. Leavers have been assuming that because people say that they want to get it done, that they want to leave. I'm hoping that Parliament will decide that we cancel Brexit. Then we could have an election, without Brexit on the manifestos and sort out the many problems the British people are facing at the moment.

We need a GE. The government is paralysed in parliament. They can not get any legislation through the house and I have read the Queen's speech will be voted down. That is why we need a GE. In a GE each party can set out its official position on Brexit and the electorate can make its voice heard. The problems only arise when Labour says its official policy is to leave EU and a lot of leave voters voted for them believing they would take us out of EU only for Corbyn to betray them and flipflop to Remain. There current stance of Labour seems to be more towards Remain and is the opposite to their manifesto promises in 2017. Let us see how many votes Labour get, and will lose compared to 2017, if it campaigns for Remain.

In 2017 Remain voters destroyed the Tory majority by flocking to Labour as 'best bet' to stop a hard Brexit, finds study.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/remain-voters-tory-majority-election-labour-hard-brexit-conservatives-leave-eu-talks-minority-jeremy-a7871541.html

The annual direct (or “red tape”) cost of WTO tariff and non-tariff barriers is estimated to total around £27 billion for UK firms (or equivalent to 1.5 percent of GVA) and around £31 billion for EU27 firms (or equivalent to 0.4 percent of GVA) after initial steps to mitigate the impacts have been taken. They are of a similar absolute magnitude but about four times greater for the UK as a percentage of GVA.

from "THE “RED TAPE” COST OF BREXIT" by Oliver Wyman

www.cliffordchance.com/microsites/brexit-hub/thought-leadership/the-red-tape-cost-of-brexit/_jcr_content/parsystop/hubdownload/file.res/OliverWyman-CliffordChance_The%20Red%20Tape%20Cost%20of%20Brexit%20(screen).pdf

No, newnanny a GE wouldn't decide how many people are still in favour of leaving the EU.

It would allow parliament to function properly.

Parliament is functioning properly, newnannie, when it's not being interfered with by Johnson's tricks.

I'm not sure what miracle you are hoping for with a GE. The chances are it will be a hung parliament, just like the current one.

Parliament can't function properly when any government does not have a majority in the house. No legislation gets passed. Everything is stalemate. If we had a GE and there was a hung parliament maybe there would be an alliance.

We need to put a stop to this brexit nonsense ASAP then we can have a GE where we look at the policies which matter.

The trouble is, varian, that the powers that be keep telling me that my Labour vote was supporting the result of the referendum when, in fact, it was an attempt [a successful one] to reduce the powers of the worst, but most dangerous government in recent history.

That is the problem for Labour voters labaik. If you were go vote LibDem then your wish to Remain would be a curately registred.

accurately registered.

We are all voting LibDem this time but back then the important thing was to vote tactically to reduce May's majority. Then again we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now if Labour were more openly anti Brexit, but that won't happen, will it .

No, newnanny we do not want or need a GE until this Brexit fiasco is sorted out. As a remainer living in a constituency with an ERG MP, my vote for anyone other than him would be a waste as he has such a huge majority, I want a second referendum to settle Brexit, then a GE based on what the various parties propose as a way of going forward, whether we leave the EU or we don't.

i dont think people would vote to stay .after all the red tape and the hiring and firing of mps.its one big mess up. our government is and was unable to cope with the leave situation .we should leave. we voted to leave. why the hell do we want another referendum .if it had gone the other way and we voted to stay ,we would get another chance to vote . no we wouldnt .no deal and leave.who wants germany in control of england .i certainly dont.we already send europe billions of pounds every week. . we need the money to pay for our FREE nhs. for schoools.health care .education..am fed up with all this euro rubbish... health and safety twaddle. sorry we voted to leave. we must leave.do you know the first words from the german chancellor when we voted leave. her words were "i thought we got them". me i'm not old enough to be through any war that fought to keep england free .but call me patriotic /old fashioned / but wasnt both world wars to keep germany out of england.yes i know we have lovely doctors and nurses from other countries. but england should look after her self ,than let germany rule us.

would we get another chance to vote? was meant to say..

oh Moggie57.........have you read the OP? Why do people criticise Health and Safety rules? Why is it so outrageous to expect to come home from work in the same state of health as when you got there, why is it wrong to expect to buy an item, perhaps a toy for your grandchild that is safe and won't injure them? I am trying very hard to be polite and understanding, but .......Also, would you like to back up some of your more outrageous quotes from Angela Merkel? Sigh.

Varian your are wrong. A large poll by ComRes with a much larger sample than usual has found more people want to leave the EU than ever.

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1191415/brexit-news-comres-poll-boris-johnson-news-Leave-vote-Remain-vote

So why not have a confirmatory people's vote on the deal newnanny*.