bloody whinging royals

I think it was all set up to give them air time for their grievances. It would be like the queen sitting down for her Christmas message and talking about how no one realises how tiring the job is at her age, and how much she misses Philip by her side, blah blah.

It seems to me that Harry really does have a problem with his mental health, poor lad. I feel very sad for him.

Meghan is not helping as far as I can see. I can’t quite pin down why she irritates me so much, but she does.

Tbh, I wouldn't have thought the middle of a tour of Africa was the place to speak about your own mental health difficulties. And for the interviewer to join in sounds a bit of a self pity fest.

Can we just remember that first and foremost they are human beings, and all the money and privilege in the world does not prevent anguish and worry. Whether or not you approve of them, maybe we (and hopefully the tabloids) should just leave them alone.

In the meantime it's business as usual for William and Kate.

Thank goodness for them.

I think Harry will be miserable if they relocate to LA. Does he ever see his old friends these days? The spark has gone out and he even looked self conscious and embarrassed holding his own baby.

It comes across as though Meghan is starring in a film where the wife's coercive control convinces the husband he's having a breakdown.

Mental health is a huge issue the world over.
I'm sure it would be rarity indeed to find a family who has not seen a loved one(s) suffer with MH issues.

Where we differ from RF is having unlimited access to doctors, therapists and social support.

Another platform in the UK would (imho) have been more appropriate.

Having visited and held the hands and supported people in the various countries of the African continent and then to complain about personal grievances, after they had listened to what must have been on some occasions quite gruelling personal accounts, seems to diminish what H & M had set out to do.

Harry said he his traumatised everytime he hears a the click of the camera.

In parts of Africa and other war torn countries, children run for cover when they hear the click of a camera.

If Harry had been the eldest child, another abdication could well have been on the horizon

Gonegirl. She actually said her friends warned her not to marry Harry as the tabloid press would destroy her! How correct they were.

they could have filmed the documentary in the grounds of
Frogmore.

Twitter - we love you Megan

Seems many viewers were reduced to tears .

The evil press making their lives a misery ? useful before they
start court proceedings against some newspapers.

Mission accomplished

Maybe 'slagging off' was a bit of an exaggeration, Gonegirl but the British Stiff Upper Lip has stood us in good stead over the years and she forgets the tabloids were full of articles praising her to the heights when she and H first married.

They invited their own negative press by refusing to give a little whilst taking a lot!

Wow! She slagged off Britain?! I've got to watch this prog (on catch up)

Leave them to go their own way, there's no real necessity for them to " fit in " with everyone else. If they want to pull out from duties, let them, I say.
It's certainly not a job I'd like to take on.
Yes, they'll still have to have the protection but not as heavy as it seems to be.
William is the more important one who'll eventually take over his father's duties, then his children will be the foreseeable futures should there still be a future.

I wonder how thing would be received if, for instance, one of our minor royals married an A list American actor, took advantage of everything on offer then used a documentary to slag off the very country she had decided to adopt because eyebrows were being raised over her attitude?

She thinks she knows better

And sometimes a fresh approach is needed!

But she hasnt taken the time or shown the will to understand us before declaring how she wants us to change

"Kate"

She really thinks very little of Britain and Britishness

When she said that she was going to introduce us to feminism, (despite all late does around getting girls access to sport) I gave her the benefit of the doubt! Maybe she really would highlight issues that were previous taboo.

She really hasnt. The individual causes she has chosen ARE worthy, but are very much "feminism lite"

Adding "I say this as a woman" to your speaches does not Im afraid indicate any depth of understanding around womens issues.

Let us not forget that Meghan was an actress in her former life and probably relishes the "poor me" role. She was not an ingenue was she hooked up with Harry and knew exactly what she was doing. Now, when it suits her, she wants "family time" off and is using royal status when it suits her. Our Royal family have changed and modernised over recent years and we do not need an ill-informed American trying to change the rules.

Give the girl an Oscar!

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Sparklefizz - having my breakfast cup of tea and ‘composing’ a post in my head - then saw that you’d written exactly what I was thinking! I only saw part of last night’s programme, but I was shocked at their insensitivity in talking of their “problems” with such backdrops of poverty and true hardship. Thoughtless, arrogant and doing themselves no favours. The same programme could have been quite effective in highlighting the issues in parts of Africa, without incorporating their “issues”.

I agree that they are human beings BUT being 'royal' they have set themselves above the rest of us plebs. They are happy to take the money and all of the other advantages that go with that status. In return we expect them to go around to various events and represent the country when overseas. We don't call for them to have their heads chopped off and mostly they are left to enjoy their privileges. I think that the problem with the Duchess is that she knows next to nothing about the UK. Her opinions are based on life in the USA where , despite what some think, life is very different.For example in the USA she is designated as 'black'. Over here I think if we decide to refer to ethnicity then she is 'mixed race'. She obviously thinks she has to get herself involved in issues of race and in consequence leaves out the rest of the UK. FWIW , I think that the negative comments aren't racist but frustration that she seems to be oblivious to what life in the UK is like coupled with a feeling that she doesn't want to find out about us ALL. If I could give her a message it would be; stop doing so much, try observing, learning and listening , ditch a lot of your advisers and take on someone who understands British life. You might end up being loved by us then.
And I am not a monarchist , and I don't wish her harm.

I have always been a fan of Harry's and I started off as a fan of Meghan too, but I can't be a hypocrite and pretend that I still am, because their actions speak louder than words.

They were visiting poverty-stricken and unfortunate places in Africa, and and then using them as a backdrop to complain about their own grievances.

Think of their plight compared to the teenage girls taking boxing lessons to fight off sexual predators who rape them with impunity. The tiny children in Angola who are still having their limbs blown off by land mines and the adults who have coped with mass killings and endless wars, not to mention a life without limbs themselves.

How could they bear witness to all of that misery and still stand in front of a camera and complain that they are just "existing" and that their life is tough? Can they not imagine how this would be perceived?

It seems to me that each time they have an opportunity to do good, they blow it and dig a big hole for themselves .... and then complain that it is the fault of the media.

What a disappointment.

There was also the option of H working without her, while she took time to adjust to the culture. She didnt think she needed to, which is arrogant

She thinks Britishness is "unhealthy".

She doesnt like Britain! Her and H would rather not live there

She sees being a working royal as a "platform" but doesnt see the flip side, which is that in return for that "platform" she is to represent the state!

As an individual she is under no obligation to like britain or britishness etc, but as a working Royal, its pretty essential. She is not fit fot the job! And thats not a criticism of her the individual, I wouldnt be fit to be a working Royal either! But she wants to be all take no give. Gimme my platform and let me get on with it on my terms, no time taken to understand what it is she is supposed to be representing

If they practised what they preached they would get the respect. Everyone loved those boys, how they were treated was horrendous. Megan is the stronger of the two, she's always acting, poor Harry hasn't got a chance. It is all too much for him, he needs help, to bow out for a while and get the help he needs. It's sad to see him like this.

I'm with those who feel this young couple should be cut some slack. I'm pretty sure that the public's appetite for everything Royal plays no small part in the media's focus on them. I don't even like answering my doorbell if I haven't washed my hair and I let phone messages go to voicemail when I'm not in the mood to talk!!!

I also don't understand the comparisons being drawn in this thread between their lives and ours. They are just human beings like the rest of us and are subject to all of the run-of-the-mill feelings and concerns that we all have. I've read several times on Gransnet threads that no one's feelings are any more or less important than those of others.

For example, I've seen very kind posts in here from those who state that loss is loss regardless of whether it's loss the of a pet or a parent or a spouse. I'm not referring to Harry's loss here, just making the point that we urge others not diminish their own feelings in comparisons.