bloody whinging royals

For fifty years I've been a fan of the Royal family but now my patience is wearing thin. The nation took William and Harry to their hearts after the passing of Diana and followed their transition from boys to adults - often comparing to our own children (if we have them). I was critical of Waity Katy and William seeing them as lazy but how they have transformed into dignified ambassadors and future King. Harry on the other hand is now caught for better or worse in showbiz and the tears at the Childrens' awards were self indulgent and not worthy of his royal status. Along with Lewis Hamilton (racing driver) who said this week that he doesn't feel like going on, they should try living the lives of Mr and Mrs Ordinary.

Meghan's family have gone strangely quiet.

When she said "not many people have asked so thank you" I got the impression she meant press/public.

She wants to be our darling. On her terms.

She never said that no one in her private life has asked how she is

Our , not are, ( poor grammer!)

Obviously he’s not still a child, but parts of are own child self stay with us. That’s what makes us who we are , A sum of are parts, all unique .
Put it this way I use the same ingredients to make a Victoria sponge as it says in my book but my sponge never ever comes out how I want it to, how it should be or how someone else’s is or even the same next time around.
My natural reaction is to defend someone who I think is being picked on , perhaps because I was picked on , I could just as easily have become a bully. I am thankful that I am not, ( unless I am mistaken & you are going to tell me I am )

Any abuser who was abused as a child must be understood and not even criticised?

There are events which can happen in life which leave us devastated and the death of his mother was devastating for him but he is 35 now, he needs to live his life not his mothers,
he has not married his mother but does seem to see his mother not the woman he married.

So sad, the mother he loved has damaged him .

It is true paddyann that we have all lost someone but how many of us have the death of that person brought up in newspapers and on TV again and again and again. It seems there is an article about Diana, her life or her death every few weeks.

But Harry isn’t a child - he’s a thirty something year old man. It’s perfectly possible to have compassion but still feel irritated by their overall behaviour.

Paddyann, it’s not about still grieving , it is about how a death ( and many other situations ) can affect a child .
We are all a sum of are parts , perhaps some of us have more compassion because we were shown compassion or protected someone who needed it, perhaps some are angry because they didn’t have support or any control over what happened to them , it’s not a right or wrong, but the more aware we are the more we understand each other , that’s a good thing ,isn’t it ?

Do we want to see another Diana, tragically killed after years of being hounded by the press?

How is that likely to happen?

I don't hate them at all but I am irritated by them. I think there needs to be less self and more duty. They would do well to take a cue from the Queen.

I disagree! Do we want to see another Diana, tragically killed after years of being hounded by the press?

Harry loves his wife and she loves him. They are new parents and have enough to learn and cope with.

Yes, they are privileged and don't have our money worries, but they both know the heartache of divorced parents.

Leave them alone. I am proud we live with a monarchy.

I am sure they love each other and their son, but the hand holding, eye gazing, tender touching says no more than
William and Kate holding their children’s hands, their laughter when they are competing in a boat race , their eye contact.

Ingrid Bergman was sooo in love with Bogarde in ‘Casablanca’.

surely its not good for anyone to dwell on the past as much as he appears to be doing.We all lose parents ,many of us in tragic circumstances but 20 odd years down the line we manage to get on with our lives and ,yes we think about them but not obsess nor blame others for the death .As someone upthread said grief is NOT a mental health issue if he IS still grieving then he needs to deal with it OR is he playing with thepublic and the press the same way his mother did ?

I’m not a fan of the royal family really but I admit to a soft spot for Harry. I think the death of his mother at such a young age has scarred him and he will be affect all his life. Many people are damaged by their childhood experiences. We see it in Harry precisely because he’s in the public eye. I see this in many friends and family and occasionally myself. I have some sympathy with Megan perhaps she has a touch of pnd, perhaps she’s the least favourite DiL/SiL and feels she’ll never fit in. I know that they have very privileged lives and should be grateful but no matter our wealth or position we are only human and all have our frailties. The difference being unless we choose to share ours they are not under public scrutiny. Harry and Megan’s are. What shines through to me is their devotion to each other and their beautiful baby.

Through his own issues I mean.

I don’t think Harry is disliked personally - it’s his public persona that is not very popular at the moment. Remember he was a bit of an arse in his younger days and not well liked then either, then he seemed to be taken in hand by someone or something (the army?) and seemed to lead quite a normal life. Now he and M seem to have decided that we all need lessons from them on how to be feminists or how to save the planet while they jet about in their private planes, and they seem genuinely puzzled that we don’t love them as much as their sleb circles seem to.

I agree that it’s good to highlight mental health causes but the public and the press are not the ones to help and support H through that.

Meghan's tearful face as she told an interviewer that no one had asked how she was, reminded me of Princess Diana but did not look genuine. Shes an actress.

Loislovesstewie very well said!

I don't hate them. I can't be bothered with them and their self important nonsense.

No it’s because he was attributed by others with traits that they assumed he had & that they approved of or liked.
Now they are seeing other/ different/ attributes that don’t fit with their previous views of the Harry that they believed him to be.
Like most of us he will be a mixture, with different traits coming to the fore depending on the differing circumstances presented.

Putting off a public appearance of the child , show just a foot ,
for what reason ? There are many royalists in this country who love to see a new Windsor baby, why on earth couldn’t they accept this ?

I think they were taunting the press with no thought to the many who support the monarchy and all that goes with it.

I don't hate either of them. I'm just exasperated.

It's very telling that Harry has gone from being the most popular royal to being one of the most hated. He must be doing something wrong all of a sudden and one can only conclude this has all happened since the arrival of MM in his life. She must be coaching him as to how to act the hard done by victim, but if he thinks that will gain him sympathy he really has lost any focus and understanding.

I can understand why, the speculation of what this little one would look like seemed to be inordinately important to some folks, who can blame H& M for putting of a public appearance for as long as poss.