bloody whinging royals

But that's not the same as becoming a royal by marriage, a future Queen (Diana, not Meghan) and always subject to press scrutiny.

Playing with the royals as a child, a teenager, when they were off duty and away from the public gaze would be just like playing with other children from their own privileged background.

Tim Lawrence knew the ropes before he married Anne.

...and although people were unkind and called her "waity Katie", William and Kate took their time and made sure that Kate knew what she was letting herself in for. Unfortunately Harry rushed everything.

There has always been a tremendous outpouring of love and support and understanding towards William and Harry for what they have suffered, and I think there still is ..... but Harry and Meghan have brought some of the criticisms over the last year onto themselves with poor decisions and poor behaviour. I shouldn't think anyone is any less compassionate regarding Harry's grief or mental health - just expressing opinions about things they could have done much better.

Diana was use to royal protocol from a toddler. Part of the Windsor circle.

SirChenjin they may have access to good PR people but unfortunately a rapid turnover of such staff does not help.

The 'old guard' who were steeped in royal protocol were of no help to Diana either when she married into the RF.
It's not just a family, it is a 'firm' as HM calls it and all newcomers should have a period of rigorous training if they are to carry out duties and to learn what is expected of them in public. I don't know if that happens.

Tim Lawrence knew the ropes before he married Anne.

It's fascinating to read everyone's opinions on this topic.

I am not a big fan of the RF either but having read this post decided to watch the program to see what all the fuss is about.

What really struck me is the strange way they handle their baby. Neither of them seemed very at ease holding him, maybe nanny does most of the work!
It also struck me that the biggest difference between W and H is that W married into a stable loving family when he married Kate. They both seem to be getting on fine.

H and M both come from dysfunctional families on numerous levels - 2 troubled people coming together does not always make a good relationship.

My mother died when I was 3 which made for a very tough childhood, but you can't keep using that as an excuse all your adult life.

I don't think that would make much difference to someone who finds it emotionally difficult.
That's like the old "What have you got to be depressed about?" question.

Plenty of people who should have no reason to be depressed, are, have been, and will be.

Blooming heck trisher I agree 100% with you again.

God help some of the grandchildren if so many display so little understanding, compassion and basic human understanding when the kids are under undue stress. But I suppose it will be argued that their grandchildren are better than H&M until ..........

If you do not try to understand others why should anyone be concerned with you? However some of us mugs would be concerned so maybe you should join us.

But how many who bring up grandchildren who have nannies, can go to Eaton etc

Its a struggle for lots of people, for lots of reasons.

Plenty of examples on here, of grandparents practically fetching up their adult children's offspring because its so difficult for the parents to manage.

“Becoming a mother has been a struggle”
I’m baffled by that comment. Harry is clearly overjoyed. They have nannies and nurses and Archie is healthy and happy.
What part of being a mother is a struggle for Megan?

The name of the man is Joe Guiliano, and he was apparently a lawyer, an entertainment lawyer.
You are correct Annie, at Meghan’s age she is bound to have had several relationships, long or short.

As she is 36 then quite natural there has been relationships, short and long.

Its not publicised anywhere in the press about an annulment.
The 'Enquirer' (a tabloid) made it a headline, but nowhere else at all is it taken up.

When she moved to Canada she was with a celebrity chef for 2 years but not read they married , she left him when she met Harry.

I know what an annulment is, but still don’t think she has had one. Who with? When? I have never read it in any news or gossip columns.

But you don’t know Calendargirl, and it has been very widely publicised in the press. An annulment isn’t considered as serious as a divorce, and there’s certainly no argument about that.

Meghan is simply not making Harry happy, that’s the nub of it. She actually appears to be making Harry unhappy.

maddyone

I’m sure this has been brought up before. Yes, Meghan has been divorced once, but another marriage having been annulled? I don’t think so.

Harry made a mammoth mistake when he broadcast . what became heard by the world, that Meghan had no family.Was he so naïve ?Did he expect her family to sit back and ignore.? Is this why although her past had nothing to do with the present he did not have the courtesy to visit Meghans father.Be it on his own head that no matter how many tears he sheds over what he appears to see as a witch hunt against him and his wife people don't forget and the kindest thing he can do is to shut up He has dug a hole stop digging.

doing, not ding...doh!

It seems these two can't do right for ding wrong in some people's eyes.

Imo, these two well meaning young people are genuinely trying to use their undoubted power and influence for good in the world.

There have been some really mean posts on this and the other related thread.

Pinkquartz, what an excellent post, it sums up just how I feel about this Meghan and Harry saga. I was happy to hear Harry had at long last found someone he could be happy with, but how wrong I was, he looks more unhappy now than he ever did before, except for that awful day when he was forced to walk behind his beloved mother’s coffin. That was a heartbreaking day, very sad. His grief had to be played out for the whole world to see, and he was only twelve years old.

But over twenty years have passed since then, and he was unfortunate enough to be set up on a blind date with Meghan, a twice married woman (one annullment and one divorce) who had claimed she’d like to marry a rich English man. She appears to have been a disaster for Harry, and as he was well liked prior to Meghan, the public have a right to discuss their disappointment at how events are turning out, whether or not some posters like or dislike this thread.

All the criticism of Meghan is perfectly justified and absolutely true. Smileless has given an excellent description of how controlling people manage to estrange their partners from their families. It describes well what we can see happening to Harry. How very sad it all is.

Good post pinkquartz

Yes Bridgeit why??

Why pull the plug on this thread, no one has to post on it or read it. It’s choice.

Why??

Isn’t it time to pull the Plug on this thread HQ?