bloody whinging royals

I don't know if this is ok to do but I read this comment online and totally agree with all of it.
I thought I would add it to the thread. I have written similar but think this goes further and is much better.

"I think she has overplayed her hand with PH but that is what narcissists do to their victims when they don't get instant gratification. MM thought she was going to be Diana 2.0 but she didn't take into account PH was already #6 in line for the throne. We watched her bat her doe eyes at William and Charles multiple times (it had worked for her in the past with men she wanted to manipulate). I think it worked for a time with daddy Charles but Camilla has seen through the game. As a narcissist, MM will continue to escalate until it is too late for PH & the BRF. I suspect PH and MM have serious psychological issues that will never be addressed."

I think Meghan's play as a victim shown in the ITV prog was sickening. They had been guests visiting peoples in S Africa and Angola where there is very real poverty and worse issues...and those folk danced for them they made a happy life while struggling and it was a joy to hear them singing.
Then on comes Meghan with her self centred bleating of no-one asking if she is ok...
I doubt anyone asked those people in Africa if they were ok either.

I didn't watch the documentary but have seen clips. I've read this thread in its entirety, and what's struck me from the clips I've seen and the posts I've read, are the striking similarities between H & M and our ES and his wife.

Only Mr. S. and I were at the their wedding, as at that point in time she'd estranged her parents, and she walked down the isle on her own.

There was a change in ES's body language once they married and this became more noticeable after the birth of our first GC. H appears to be exhibiting the same, going from subdued to almost defeatist.

Sentences being finished by their partner, a look of nervousness when holding his own child. Our ES is now, apart from intermittent contact with his brother, totally estranged from the family he was once extremely close too and spent a lot of time yet. I realise this hasn't happened yet with H but there does seem to be degree of disconnect.

The childhood friends our ES had kept in contact with have long gone and it's his wife's friends who they now socialise with.

I'm sure we all remember H, M, W and K being dubbed the 'fab four' in terms of their charity work before it was announced H & M would be doing their own. Nothing wrong with that of course but the relationships between the 4 of them does seem to be deteriorating all the same.

We cannot imagine what those boys went through when they lost their mother and it's both understandable and believable that H struggles with the constant attention of the press.

That said, is it merely coincidental that since marrying M he talks of his extreme reaction every time he hears the click of a camera, or has he always said so?

What I have seen of M, not read but seen, is like watching our ES's wife; controlling and manipulative.

trisher you posted that you "despise the RF" even though like the rest of us "you don't actually know these people" and then criticise posters who are criticising H & M.

Hypocritical IMO. Yes there are some harsh comments on this thread but, and correct me if I'm wrong, you're the only one who has said you despise the Royal Family.

You’re right trisher no-one knows them and all we can go on is their public personas and the interviews they give - and despite having access to the best PR people in the world they’re getting it very, very wrong. I wonder why?

Anne is very protective of her parents and her extended family, she will not be pleased with the tv interviews.

I agree about the controlling thing. Can you imagine if Tim Lawrence had behaved in the same way with a Princess Anne - finishing her sentences, rubbing her back, telling the press what he’d told A?!

Sirchenjin ?. I can hear her now. I wonder what she thinks of this pair. I quite like Anne.

Great post Trisher, I was just about to post a rant, but you have
said what I hope many of us agree with.

It So reminds me of the village I grew up in , 1 ounce of truth & cupful of whatever pops into your head. Result equals a pot of S- - T

Callistemon, there is a big difference in the ages of the grandchildren of the Swedish grandchildren and the British grandchildren. And Sweden’s royals are 3 generations , the U.K. 4 generations.

The five great grandchildren of the Queen were not given titles because they had no right to those titles.

I think that they were not given the titles in the first place, Annie whereas the Swedish RF have actually removed the title of Prince and Princess from those who already had them
Eg Princesses Beatrice, Eugenie etc and Prince Harry and others would lose their titles.
Only Prince Charles and his descendants would retain them.

Callistemon removing the title of prince or princess was carried out here some time ago. The Queen has 8 great grandchildren, 3 have the titles , they are in direct line to the throne.

Self-correct!!

An apolitical

trisher Monday 15:16

I agree; set them up on a pedestal then start knocking them down again seems to be a trait of the British, encouraged by the media which loves nothing more.
The same has happened with Sarah Ferguson and others.

Although I believe in the stability of ana-political monarchy which is where we disagree, I think that what the Scandinavians hafe done is a good way forward.
Is it the Swedish RF which has removed the title of Prince or Princess from all but those in the direct line of succession to the throne? That leaves others free to pursue their own path in life, freed from the burdens and restrictions those titles bring.

I feel sorry for Harry too.

I didn’t watch the Africa documentary on Sunday.

OMG The stuff posted on this thread almost makes me feel sorry for them and I despise the RF!
But can I point out a few things. Firstly none of you actually know these people. Secondly not very long ago there were comments like this being made about Charles and sometimes Camilla. Thirdly if you don't like them stop reading and watching things about them.
Oh and some of you might consider that while you are all being distracted by your obsessions with how awful MM and Harry are Prince Andrew has quietly slipped into the background

Actually it reflects very badly on Harry, that he didn’t think Mr Markle was important enough to even meet before the marriage. What did Meghan tell Harry that somehow made this acceptable?

But Gonegirl, we are ALL thinking about it aren’t we? Including you! Otherwise we wouldn’t be on this thread at all. Given that we are thinking about it and discussing it, it’s fair comment to ask why has Harry NEVER met his father in law. It’s simply not normal. Why has the father been told he will never see his grandchild? How cruel is that? Is this father a serial abuser of young children? Is he a convicted murderer? He has made mistakes, but he is not a bad man. Why should he never see his grandchild?

When they got together they flew from America to Africa for a holiday but didn’t go to Mexico for Harry to meet Mr Markle.

Think about it

No. Really. Don't.

Find something in your own life to think about.

I don’t think they have serious mental health conditions at all
srn63 ( are you serious?!)
I think they want too much, and that’s the problem for them.
She assumed she could carry on much as before with the added glitz of being ‘a princess’ and he assumed they could live a fairytale life, neither scenario was ever going to happen.
William chose the path of responsibility and duty, Harry chose a celeb lifestyle.

Whether he was invited or not, he didn’t attend. Why?

He has apparently been told he will have no contact with Meghan and will never see his grandchild. Are those the actions of a loving daughter?

Why has Harry never met his father in law? Is that normal?

Think about it!

I thought the dad was invited and then decided at the last minute that he had to go into hospital?

Merlotgran, you took the words out of my mouth, or rather off my page. Meghan absolutely certainly doesn’t recognise the importance of family, and it is she who is isolating Harry. She has cast her own father to the wind. Yes he has made mistakes, but no loving daughter would do this. She would have offered love and advice, not just abandoned him, it’s unforgivable! And she has also completely abandoned the rest of her family, it’s beyond belief that she has absolutely nothing to do with any of them. I’m sorry, but I’m going to call a spade a spade here, it is NOT normal to have a massive society wedding and only invite one relative. It’s simply not normal! She has half siblings, aunts, uncles, and cousins, and none of them were invited. None of them! If we take this as the basis for looking at her character, then we can see that she is selfish, manipulating, and controlling. Harry is a shadow of his former self. He has no support other than her, as others have pointed out. His father and brother must be desperately worried. Apparently his brother tried to warn him before the marriage. If this is true, then we know that William, and probably Catherine saw her for what she has turned out to be, grasping, greedy, and seeking out fame and fortune, at ANY price. I have seen suggestions that she could be narcissistic, based on her observable behaviour, that could very well be true.

I also think she was unkind to mention in the interview that her friends warned against their marriage. She blamed possible press intrusion but she made it sound as though she only married him because she was too naïve to make a more sensible decision.

Comments like that must hurt Harry.

Yes, merlot, and she lowered her voice to say this as if she was whispering a confidence --- only it's being broadcast to millions! A horrible thing to say behind Harry's back.

The Windsors have always lived very close as an extended family. Understandable because they are not going to talk to the media about each other.

I think these two have serious mental health issues and it doesn't improve it in any way to compare what you have to someone who is worse off than you, as many comments in the media suggest doing. Mental health problems can strike any class in society and when it does it is as debilitating and devasting for each person. I feel for them if this their problem. But having said that they need to help themselves, much of this is brought on by poor public opinion due to their bad mistakes such as cries for privacy, not showing off their new baby, the endless pregnancy, hypocrisy, needless spending on private jets, designer clothing, house renovations I could go on. They need time out, with help from the media to achieve this, to heal and reflect on their mistakes. Then a change of job, royal duties do not seem to suit anymore so give it up, get a job or I'm sure they could live very comfortably off their personal fortunes. I do think that, from the outside, Meghan looks to be isolating Harry from family and friends which will remove his support network which is always concerning. She also looks to be the leader in the relationship, which would not be a problem in a non-royal relationship, but is one when you look at the protocols within the royal family.