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Boris Johnson and his lies

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Dinahmo Sat 19-Oct-19 15:19:29

The independent think tank UK in a Changing Europe has today found that Johnson's deal would reduce GDP per capita by between 2.3% and 7% over the next decade. This compares with May's deal where the estimate was between 1.9% and 5.5%. They also suggest that a deal would hit public finances by £16bn and £49bn.

Today in parliament Johnson promised that high standards on workers rights an environmental protections will be maintained.

The political declaration can enter UK law but it is only a statement of intent and he can therefore promise the ERG that, if he wins the next election, he will set aside the political declaration and pivot towards deregulation and a sweetheart deal with Trump. The purpose of the ERG is to deregulate at home in order to strike trade deals with the US and emerging markets.

Would someone please explain why he should now be trusted when he has lied throughout the whole of his career. After all, leopards don't change their spots. It would take too long to list all his lies, but here's some, as a reminder:

1. When suspended from the cable car across the Thames, the mechanism apparently failed. Of course, it was deliberately stopped and he claimed it failed for a good photo opportunity.

2. In his manifesto for the London Mayor election he promised that he would ensure that there would be manned ticket offices at every train station. he then agreed to widespread closures in order to fund 24 hour tube trains

3. Also in his manifesto he promised to eradicate rough sleeping - it doubled during his tenure

4. He lied about the reason for proroguing parliament

5. He repeated his lie about the EU regulating the shape of bananas

6. He lied about there being no press when he was at GOS Hospital

Now for the money wasted whilst mayor on vanity projects:

1. Feasibility study into the Garden Bridge - £52 million

2. Cable car £24 million

3. Boris bikes £225 million (original idea Ken Livingstone but BJ implemented it)

4. Water cannon £323,000 - not allowed under UK law, unsold and now scrapped

5. Estuary airport feasibility study £5.2 million

6. Olympic stadium conversion to football pitch for West Ham - £305 million. The club was supposed to contribute £153 million but in the end it only paid £15 million and now pays annual rent of £2.5 million.

7. Routemaster hybrid buses £321.6 million - superseded by the introduction of electric buses. It's USP is now defunct because the doors at the rear "hop on hop off" platforms are closed in moving traffic (and that includes at walking pace)

A few of these projects had small amounts of sponsorship money but most of the costs were funded by the tax payer

GracesGranMK3 Sun 01-Dec-19 23:14:59

In 2010, when the Conservatives took over the National Debt was £0.95trn.

So they promised they would reduce it, saying we could "trust them with the economy."

Now it's £2.3trn

Mind you in Mr Johnson's world of lies and incompetence we are probably expected to think that is a success. What did he say Labour would do to the economy? His party have already done it!

specki4eyes Sun 01-Dec-19 22:39:51

Just when you think things just cant get any worse....
Ive been in despair since the referendum but my feelings then pale into insignificance compared with now. Just who are these people who believe that Boris Johnson and his band of thieves and liars will do anything other than wreck our beloved country and the lives of our children and grandchildren? It is glaringly obvious that he is an incompetent, mendacious buffoon as are the likes of Gove, Khan, Raab, Rees Mogg, Patel, Barclay et al. But rarely are buffoons dangerous - usually we just pity them. This one is TAKING THE WHOLE NATION DOWN!!!

Whitewavemark2 Sun 01-Dec-19 21:02:41

The Tories have sold off our:
Social Housing
Utilities
Post Office
Airlines
Industry
Buses
Trains
Water
Car Manufacturing
Telecoms
Steel
Airports
Forests
Bridges
Banks
Pipelines
Ports
Shipbuilders
Petroleum
Ferries
Construction

And you think they won't sell off the NHS, because?

Whitewavemark2 Sun 01-Dec-19 20:47:19

I could do that jura?

jura2 Sun 01-Dec-19 20:05:06

those posh Londoners just live in a bubble, don't they?

jura2 Sun 01-Dec-19 20:04:24

Hey, I am at a brilliant spa resort in the alps, it has been snowing like crazy (tons so be read Gaga, this is just around the corner) hot pools, jakuzzis, hamam - twice x 2 hour sessions today- wonderful

So want to end the day on a funny (ahahaha) note - so here is a bit of Gogglebox for you. Priceless - signing out.

www.facebook.com/leedsforeurope/videos/803822696697650/

GagaJo Sun 01-Dec-19 19:57:06

Four questionable claims (lies) made by the PM during the Andrew Marr interview

1 Friday’s terror attack was possible due to a ‘leftie’ Labour government
2 Labour wants to ‘disband MI5’
3 The Tories will ‘build 40 new hospitals’
4 No checks on goods’ under his Brexit deal

mostlyharmless Sun 01-Dec-19 18:11:28

Oh dear!

Whitewavemark2 Sun 01-Dec-19 17:30:29

They look like twins! Don’t let Johnson sell our NHS

jura2 Sun 01-Dec-19 16:41:24

Read a comment from one of his old articles, saying we need to bring back good old fashioned marriage, men have to control their women and be the Head of Household ...

SirChenjin Sun 01-Dec-19 16:21:51

Perhaps he thinks that tub thumping and empty promises is what makes a Strong Leader? hmm

Whitewavemark2 Sun 01-Dec-19 16:21:48

Every third child you see will be in poverty by 2022

twitter.com/i/status/1200836894231126017

And this is what Johnson thinks of them

www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-said-britain-poorest-chavs-losers-criminals-addicts-burglars-2019-11?r=US&IR=T

Nanny41 Sun 01-Dec-19 16:16:59

Why is Boris so dogmatic about everything he puts his fist down and promises everything, such as "we shall leave the EU on 31st October" where did that get him, now he is determined come what may to leave at the end of January,I wish he would make up his mind and get things done, not just vague promises,and lies!

Whitewavemark2 Sun 01-Dec-19 16:08:35

This

Whitewavemark2 Sun 01-Dec-19 15:40:31

Google has banned eight different Tory election adverts as lies and disinformation concerns mount

GracesGranMK3 Sun 01-Dec-19 15:09:19

I hope I'm not repeating this.

Google bans eight different Tory election adverts as disinformation concerns mount

Six of the banned adverts were put up by the Tories on the day of the Labour manifesto launch – when the Conservative Party set up a fake website called labourmanifesto.co.uk purporting to contain the opposition’s policies.

During that incident, the Tories paid Google to push its fake version of the Labour manifesto to the top of search results for those searching for the deal document.

Tory adverts still visible that were not taken down still include links purporting to send users to “Corbyn’s Labour manifesto” which point to “labourmanifesto.co.uk” – the Tories’ site. Other uncensored adverts purport to be a link to “Labour’s Brexit Policy”, “Labour Party Education Policy”, and “Labour’s Defence Policy” but instead send users to the Conservative website.

Goebbels would be proud, sadly

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-general-election-advert-ban-google-fake-news-manifesto-labour-a9223846.html?utm_source=reddit.com&fbclid=IwAR0PVNmpDG1_I4kdMJ79JFGoFsuBZhdueTHdgIRj4VkzQCoeMueS4jBGEDE

GracesGranMK3 Sun 01-Dec-19 12:07:23

He's said it before. It appeals as a soundbite to the lowest common denominator who listen to his "parliament against the people" rhetoric because it's what they want to hear. The fact that he and his party have been "parliament" for nearly 10 years doesn't seem to bother them.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 01-Dec-19 11:42:50

Why on earth does Johnson lie like he does when he must know full well his lies can almost immediately be called out. Who on Earth is believing him?

Peter Kyle
@peterkyle

Boris Johnson just said his Queen’s Speech “was blocked but parliament”

He won the vote.

It literally passed through parliament - the opposite of ‘blocked’.

GracesGranMK3 Sun 01-Dec-19 11:19:45

Listening to Johnson talking about the recent tragic incident at London Bridge I worry about him not only being a liar - for which there is obvious proof, loss of jobs, etc. but that he is so very incompetent.

We all know that he was not across his brief when talking, as foreign secretary, about Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe and that his lack of understanding, or even, it appeared, any willingness to understand, quite possibly effected her sentence.

What if that was you, or someone in your own family? I think he is a car-crash waiting to happen over some much bigger incident. He has told us that he goes where he is told to go and says what he is told to say but what if he actually doesn't understand or care to understand the way this could affect us?

He is now telling all who will listen he will change the law on "early release". At first glance, you may think "that makes sense". But the law has already been changed - in 2012! The automatic early release no longer happens. Currently, a terrorist offender has to serve at least two-thirds of their sentence and then it is not an automatic release.

By following this easy and populist line we are doing nothing to actually protect the citizens of this country. Nothing will actually be done. Once again Mr Johnson appeals to the lowest common denominator in our society but his decisions, made because he was told they would be popular, are incompetent and incompetence in government affects us all.

Do we really want an icon of incompetence running (or not running) our country? Do we really want someone who puts his press image before understanding the often complex detail of the role?

If he is that incompetent and content, not to understand detail, but simply to be told what to do and say - what will be the outcome of leaving the EU? I imagine there are ways of making the best of it but can Mr Johnson be trusted to do that? What if he turns it into the very car-crash we can all see is possible?

jura2 Sun 01-Dec-19 10:38:18

Indeedy - which is why if he won't do it- it should go ahead without him asap.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 01-Dec-19 10:33:21

If Johnson is too cowardly to stand up to Neil, what does that say about his leadership material?

jura2 Sun 01-Dec-19 10:24:47

btw have you all (you know who you are ...) signed the petition for the Andrew Neil interview to go ahead with cardboard effigy of Johnson? Please do if you feel that should be the case.

jura2 Sun 01-Dec-19 10:23:33

Am away from home and can't watch The Marr show ... sad

Dinahmo Sun 01-Dec-19 10:16:34

BJ's been blaming everybody apart from the Tories. AM said several times that the Tories have been in power for 10 years and have done nothing but BJ just talked over him. Instead he kept repeating that he'd only been PM for 120 days and repeatedly attacking the LP.

IMO AM is far too gentlemanly to deal with BJ, who of course didn't want the battering he'd get from A Neil.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 01-Dec-19 10:10:50

Boris Johnson just produced his most brazen lie yet - inventing the claim that Corbyn supposedly wants to scrap MI5.

Completely untrue. He’s never said any such thing.