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Boris Johnson and his lies

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Dinahmo Sat 19-Oct-19 15:19:29

The independent think tank UK in a Changing Europe has today found that Johnson's deal would reduce GDP per capita by between 2.3% and 7% over the next decade. This compares with May's deal where the estimate was between 1.9% and 5.5%. They also suggest that a deal would hit public finances by £16bn and £49bn.

Today in parliament Johnson promised that high standards on workers rights an environmental protections will be maintained.

The political declaration can enter UK law but it is only a statement of intent and he can therefore promise the ERG that, if he wins the next election, he will set aside the political declaration and pivot towards deregulation and a sweetheart deal with Trump. The purpose of the ERG is to deregulate at home in order to strike trade deals with the US and emerging markets.

Would someone please explain why he should now be trusted when he has lied throughout the whole of his career. After all, leopards don't change their spots. It would take too long to list all his lies, but here's some, as a reminder:

1. When suspended from the cable car across the Thames, the mechanism apparently failed. Of course, it was deliberately stopped and he claimed it failed for a good photo opportunity.

2. In his manifesto for the London Mayor election he promised that he would ensure that there would be manned ticket offices at every train station. he then agreed to widespread closures in order to fund 24 hour tube trains

3. Also in his manifesto he promised to eradicate rough sleeping - it doubled during his tenure

4. He lied about the reason for proroguing parliament

5. He repeated his lie about the EU regulating the shape of bananas

6. He lied about there being no press when he was at GOS Hospital

Now for the money wasted whilst mayor on vanity projects:

1. Feasibility study into the Garden Bridge - £52 million

2. Cable car £24 million

3. Boris bikes £225 million (original idea Ken Livingstone but BJ implemented it)

4. Water cannon £323,000 - not allowed under UK law, unsold and now scrapped

5. Estuary airport feasibility study £5.2 million

6. Olympic stadium conversion to football pitch for West Ham - £305 million. The club was supposed to contribute £153 million but in the end it only paid £15 million and now pays annual rent of £2.5 million.

7. Routemaster hybrid buses £321.6 million - superseded by the introduction of electric buses. It's USP is now defunct because the doors at the rear "hop on hop off" platforms are closed in moving traffic (and that includes at walking pace)

A few of these projects had small amounts of sponsorship money but most of the costs were funded by the tax payer

Whitewavemark2 Sat 19-Oct-19 16:09:14

The astounding thing is that there are people who would support him.

jura2 Sat 19-Oct-19 16:46:00

indeed- and seem to trust him - in cre di ble

ayse Sat 19-Oct-19 16:50:51

I don’t understand why anyone trusts Johnson. To my mind he has a hidden agenda as suggested above. I’m so concerned about the outcome of this whole debacle.

Nonnie Sat 19-Oct-19 16:54:24

How does he get away with it? I wish I understood.

I also wish I understood why people want to leave the EU. On Twitter I have asked over a 100 people to tell me three ways they and their family would be better off if we left the EU and no one has answered. Couldn't get a sensible answer on here either. Why don't they want to convince me of their reasons?

EllanVannin Sat 19-Oct-19 16:57:15

Serves you all right those who voted to leave. I didn't trust him from the word go, or any of them come to think.
I'm going to ask for heaps of leaflets to support Labour should there be a GE. We'll turn this thing on its head !

varian Sat 19-Oct-19 19:03:51

He's a "character" - good old Boris can lie through his teeth time and time again and get away with it - just like Trump.

He will always be popular with people who don'y care about the truth.

Nonnie Sun 20-Oct-19 11:23:13

varian I am sure you are right but I find it very scary that he can simply trample over the will of parliament. He is either a dictator or a spoiled toddler, take you pick.

Grandad1943 Sun 20-Oct-19 11:58:55

In a desperate attempt to gain Labour MPs support for the withdrawal bill yesterday, Johnson stated that Britain would maintain the "highest standards of workers rights, so there was no requirement for those rights to be in the bill before before parliament.

However, this morning on the BBC Andrew Marr program a video was shown of Boris Johnson decrying workplace safety legislation, but he obviously had little awareness of risk assessment procedures that he was ranting about. He stated, "businesses are required to carry out such assessments only to find there was nill risk." However, it did not seem to occur to him that the object of any risk assessment is to find out what the level of risk is in any workplace operation.

Dominic Arab on the Marr program then tried to dig Johnson out of that hole by stating that "workplace safety smart systems" could be introduced for individual employers. He then seemed to have little explanation of how any such "Smart System" would operate.

This is Johnson once again with his lies and the Tory Party again placing monetary gain above people's lives and health in their workplaces.

Disgusting.

Grandad1943 Sun 20-Oct-19 12:02:58

Apologies should be Dominic Raab in my above post, not Dominic Arab.
Auto correction in operation again. 🙄

Daisymae Sun 20-Oct-19 12:59:55

According to Gove the government have triggered operation yellow hammer. This is what they wanted all along. Exactly what Rachel Johnson said a couple of weeks ago.

newnanny Sun 20-Oct-19 13:13:06

The more the Radicalised Remainers' try to stop Boris getting a withdrawal agreement and future trade deal with the EU the higher he rises in the opinion polls. You Remainers cannot seem to understand why. I will tell you bluntly, there are 2 main reasons why. 1. It is because he is still trying to deliver on the public referendum vote and the public see this. Very few in parliament are. 2. He is up against JC and every other leader looks good when compared to him. I believe Boris is now twice as popular as JC and is even popular in Remain London with 18-24 females.

yggdrasil Sun 20-Oct-19 14:34:04

Nonnie:" Why don't they want to convince me of their reasons?"

I have had exactly the same. It is because their reasons are emotional. It is not difficult to point out to a Leaver that their arguments can all be countered by the provable facts, but it won't be accepted.
One I keep hearing is 'sovereignity', but when I ask what that means I get told about the Unelected EU that hates us all :-)

Dinahmo Sun 20-Oct-19 15:50:27

newnanny - dictionary definition of radicalised = "having been made more radical". I don't think many of us Remainers are more radical now than we were 3 1/2 years ago.

Johnson tells us that he is trying to deliver the public vote but IMO the underlying reasons are not for the public good but for the benefit of his cronies - eg those shorting the currency.

1 million people marched in London yesterday and they were not all Londoners. They came from all over the UK (not sure about N. Ireland) by the coach load. Friends who were marching met some others with posters proclaiming that they were leavers who had changed their minds.

Parliament has changed its mind several times so please give me one good reason why the public shouldn't change their minds and also have the opportunity to vote for that change. I can only assume that leavers are scared.

I also think that you denigrate parliament, after all nearly half of the MPs supported Johnson's bill and the remainder are just trying to scrutinise the details.

Nonnie Sun 20-Oct-19 16:43:00

newnanny Please would you tell me three ways that you and your family will be better off if we leave the EU? Thanks

Nonnie Sun 20-Oct-19 16:43:51

yggdrasil Sun 20-Oct-19 14:34:04 I wish we had a 'like' button

Dinahmo Sun 20-Oct-19 17:02:52

Johnson is desperate for us to leave because of the EU taxation rules effective from 1 January.

Today Demos have published a report which reveals that 25 of the government's 34 strategic suppliers (ie those that receive more than £100 million in revenue from the govt) operate in offshore centres. 19 of those operate from jurisdictions included in the EU's black list of countries non compliant with the EU's international standards for "good tax behaviour"

In addition, his friends in the right wing media would suffer because most of them are based offshore.

growstuff Sun 20-Oct-19 17:39:58

newnanny This works the other way too. In 2016 I was very disappointed that leavers won the referendum, but shrugged my shoulders and was prepared to accept it. After all, I've never lived in a parliamentary constituency where my vote has ever mattered.

However, over the last three years, I have become increasing annoyed at the idiotic claims of "Leavers", the revelations about illegality and the real motives of those behind the Leave campaign, the way party politics (rather than the good of the country) have become the driving force of many politicians and the downright childish antics of our current PM. If Brexit were truly a project worthy of merit, it wouldn't need these underhand tactics. It's not a game; it's about people's lives.

It has now reached the stage that if I were ever to meet some of the posters on GN who post such drivel in real life, I would have to walk away.

MawB Sun 20-Oct-19 17:43:36

I believe Boris is now twice as popular as JC and is even popular in Remain London with 18-24 females

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Given his reputation he has probably bedded all 18 (or is it all 24) of them!

varian Sun 20-Oct-19 17:49:09

The sending of three letters, which one GNetter described as "Boris playing a blinder" is the work of a spoilt petulent toddler - but that's probably being a bit harsh on toddlers.

Dyffryn Sun 20-Oct-19 20:42:32

I had a very disappointing conversation with a 40 year old today. He thinks Boris is an ok sort of guy. He doesn’t care about his policies or his lies. He thinks he is fun. 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️. We are doomed as a country.

SirChenjin Sun 20-Oct-19 20:52:21

If it’s any consolation Dyffryn my twenty something children and their friends (all intelligent, university educated adults) think Boris is an arse and a clown (I paraphrase, but you get my drift).

MamaCaz Sun 20-Oct-19 20:53:45

You have just said what I was thinking, Maw grin

newnanny Mon 21-Oct-19 01:38:32

@Nonnie why do leave voters need 3 reasons?

1. My niece who is married to a Turkish man will be more likely to be allowed to reside in the UK with her husband and child. At the moment he can't because he is not EU citizen. He speaks perfect English and is a manger of a very large supermarket. My niece is a nurse. We have a shortage of nurses in UK and they would like to live here but can't. Under a points based system they most likely would be able to according to advise she has been given by Home Office as after we leave EU a points system will operate looking at skills you have as opposed to country where you came from.

2. If a billion pounds every month does not get sent to EU then it can be used to fund services in the UK. At the moment it is 12 billion but next year it would have been 17 billion. Social care, NHS and education could all do with a cash boost. If we stayed in EU then all taxpayers including my family would have to pay more for services.

3. After we leave EU any EU person wanting to live in UK will be vetted to see if they have committed serious crime. At the moment this does not happen because of free movement laws. My family would be safer if this vetting took place.

These are my 3 reasons that affect my family but there are other reasons which affect democracy and fairness.

Nonnie Mon 21-Oct-19 10:58:20

Thank you newnanny for responding, it is refreshing.

My answers to you:

1 We don't yet know what the points system will be but I hope you are right. However, I think he could already come and live in the UK if he first applied for a visa and then citizenship. The reason I say this is that I have a family member who did just that.

2 Unfortunately it is not that simple. As I'm sure you know the £ has dropped by 20% as a direct result of the vote in 2016 which has made many things more expensive and the projected loss of GDP far outweighs any savings from not paying the EU. On one of the posts someone has said that for every £2 we pay into the EU we get back £10 in value as a member.

3 I hope you are right but does this outweigh all the benefits we have of being in the EU? We lose our EU security membership which is surely far more valuable?

It is good to find a leaver who can debate without insult.