Am I the only one

Cameron has ruined my trust in the democratic process. Why were we allowed to vote if the majority decision was not going to mean anything? I will never vote for anything again as I now accept that it's all a sham.

I am sick to death of it, whichever way you voted, lets just get it over and done with. My flat is a no Brexit zone, I will not discuss it, or listen to anything about it. I have a friend who voted the opposite way to me and I will not talk about it with her anymore.

We have a saying in our house and that opinions are like bottoms holes and everyone has got one . People are trying to use Brexit for every excuse going , good or bad . Everybody is entitled there own choice of opinion and nobody can force them to change it . The people had there vote they choose to leave and we have to respect that and just get on with it . In life we can't have everything we want .

Grab yourself a sparkler and a bottle of Aldi Prosecco crystaltipps! You'll have a ball!

aprilrose I sympathise with your husband for losing his job. Unfortunately, it happens to many people and usually has nothing at all to do with the EU. On the other hand, thousands of people are likely to lose their jobs after Brexit. Some already have, including a friend who worked for the EMA. Some of them even learn a foreign language and move abroad. You've told that story about your husband not getting a job because it was given to a foreigner before. You have absolutely no proof. There are all sorts of reasons people don't get the jobs they apply for.

Figments of your imagination, crystaltipps.

Ok but apart from the crashed £, price rises, the normalisation of lying politicians, the worsening trade gap, the increase in hate crime, the splintering of families, the loss of high income jobs, the threat to peace in Ireland, the shortage of farm workers, the increased alienation of Scotland, the weakening of our science base, the threats to the financial sector and the movement of companies to EU countries, the loss of doctors and nurses who are leaving in droves, soaring debt, £69bn bill, loss of influence in the world and international derision, loss of health cover in 27 countries, weakened security, loss of protective legislation, massive distraction from important issues like climate change- Brexit has been great so far hasn’t it?

I don't think that clever clogs GG54 read my link to the EU explanation of the reduction in wattage of vacuum cleaners, Gonegirl

MaizieD - my apologies - I was working backwards and read Ug's post after I typed my response to you. More haste, less speed eh! (on my part)

* GabriellaG54* It's the wattage.

Yeah, but re-using teabags is not against EU law.. Ug was trying to tell us that the EU has banned the recycling of teabags... which is bonkers...

MawB - your husband sounds like my brother in law talking to his wife - except he had Parkinsons sadly. He didn't speak to her in that way before his illness but whos know what he was thinking.

Ahem, Dinahmo your post at 21.10

It was Ug who was claiming that the EU accounts haven't been audited for 20 years... not mcem

Maizie D - I do know people who reuse their tea bags - they like their tea to be weak. They do have another purpose - they're good for covering the drainage holes in plant pots. I drink loose tea, made in a pot and the dregs go into the compost or around the roses.

April rose - I'm very sorry to read about your husband but surely his problems have been exacerbated by austerity over the last ten years. The figures coming out, seemingly every day, show what dire straits the mental health services are in.

As regards the young people getting degrees but there are no jobs, there are all sorts of reasons for that. The conversions of polytechnics to universities and the resulting thousands of young people chasing hundreds of jobs. This has also led to the reduction in apprenticeships.

Back in the 60s my younger brother decide to become a set designer. He went to art school for 5 years - there was at that time only one course with about 13 students on it - but even then not enough jobs for those students. Now hundreds of youngsters do a similar course but there aren't hundreds of jobs for trainees.

mcem - ~I've answered this point on several occasions. The accounts have been audited - they have been qualified for minor errors, concerning expense claims. There has been no suggestion of fraud, just organisations finding it difficult to comply with some of the documentation. Mind you I might add a qualification of my own - a certain Farage who has overclaimed expenses and has had to repay monies to the EU.

I accept, I don't care

And as their economies improve they contribute more to the EU, contributions being a percentage of GDP, and need less financial support..

Why do you think we give aid to countries outside the EU? It's not pure benevolence on the part of the UK..

Just as well MaizieD because other EU countries are definitely the beneficiaries already - Poland was the biggest net recipient of the EU budget (getting more back than it contributed in the first place), followed by Greece, Romania, Hungary and Portugal.

The whole point of the payments to poorer EU member states was to help them to invest to improve their economies. Which is in the interests of the whole EU (including us) as they become better markets for our goods and services. Clearly rather too altruistic for the penny pinchers...

But the EU's chief negotiator did not reveal the central role of the Tampon Tax, which, thanks to EU law, forces British women to pay a 5% VAT rate on sanitary products.

See what I mean, mcem? Post a link which says that in 2016 member states were given the power to VAT rate sanitary products however they liked and Ug's still going on about VAT on tampons...

Perhaps the UK government didn't choose to change the rate...

It doesn’t matter if you get it or not grapefpip......all that you need to do is to accept it, as the democratic vote was to leave the EU.

Amongst many other concerns gfp and what’s wrong with that? I gave some examples. There are many more, but at this stage it’s boring to list them all.

Some people will never get it grapefruitpip. For others it is quite clear. You will just have to live with it. Its your problem I think

So what is your motivation Ug, for such passion?
Tampons, Boris, Polish Builders?

Seriously, i just don't get it

Tampon tax?
All vat receipts are redirected by Holyrood to benefit women's charities (and free sanitary protection for students.)

That might be all well and good for some but I ask why? Why should I pay a tax for my own sanitary protection and them pay again for someone elses effectively? When I was a student I never went without a tampax or pad. Something isnt right in this. I question the premise on which this notion of period poverty is based. So why should I pay for Hollyrood or anyone else for that matter?
Indeed why have VAT. Its an EU tax.

Hoovers with a bit less 'suck power'?
Frankly my dear I don't give a damn!

Speak for yourself it matters to me. I know many others who this matters to as well. Such rules are not popular amongst many .