Am I the only one

Which as I pointed out earlier is used for the benefit of women's charities North of the border because Holyrood chose to do that. What has Tory WM done to help?I
Struggling a bit UG!

GrannyGravy13
There's none so blind as those who will not see.

On another note for another poster.
It's the voltage not the wattage that matters in vacuum cleaners.
Don't be a sucker

The tampon tax nearly derailed Boris’ deal. Negotiations went on until 2am one day this week, discussing VAT implications for N.I,

Finally it got resolved which will ensure Northern Irish women can benefit from a zero percent VAT rate on the sanitary products after Brexit.

Michel Barnier told EU27 ambassadors on Wednesday evening that VAT was the outstanding issue holding up an agreement with the UK after negotiators worked through the night and into the early morning.

But the EU's chief negotiator did not reveal the central role of the Tampon Tax, which, thanks to EU law, forces British women to pay a 5% VAT rate on sanitary products.

And, FFS, if I join a club and pay an annual subscription I don't expect to get any of it back in cash...

Just as well MaizieD because other EU countries are definitely the beneficiaries already - Poland was the biggest net recipient of the EU budget (getting more back than it contributed in the first place), followed by Greece, Romania, Hungary and Portugal.

Luxembourg and Belgium, two of the richest EU countries, are also on the list of EU budget net recipients, because they receive a high proportion of the funding for administration as many EU institutions, such as the Commission and the European Parliament, are based there.

(From a BBC website)

I wonder if we have, in our own little ways, assuaged some of UG's concerns?

I doubt it, I really doubt it, mcem. I, and others, have been debunking this nonsense for over 3 years now, but it falls on completely deaf ears...

Well, they’ll have a few days to look at it....
Hopefully the deal will be accepted by the majority of MP’s and we can move on to the next stage of the negotiations, without all the uncertainty.

The UK could keep the money it currently sends to the EU
For every £1 we give the EU they let us have 38p back

And it is calculated that for every £1 we 'give' to the EU we gain £10 in export income.

Also, if we leave, will have to duplicate all the agencies and regulatory bodies which we now share with the EU 27, which means we will have to spend probably more money than our current share of the EU costs (economies of scale in play at present)

And, part of our contribution can be counted as a contribution to the UK's annual overseas aid budget. That will have to be repatriated.

You do realise that our contribution to the EU is less than 2% of the UK's total annual budget?

And, FFS, if I join a club and pay an annual subscription I don't expect to get any of it back in cash...

Yes eloethan just as Kenneth Clarke has been saying for months.

Thank you maizie I wonder if we have, in our own little ways, assuaged some of UG's concerns?
When I've asked leavers for answers I have never received succinct and relevant answers within minutes!

I think probably nearly everyone is frustrated and anxious about the current state of affairs.

However, in my view anyway, the fact that this issue has created so much uncertainty and unease indicates that a final decision should not be hurried through just because some people are bored and uninterested.

Corruption in the EU set up. They haven’t had their accounts audited for nigh on 20 years.

They have had their accounts audited every year since 1995

fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/

Where do you get all this inaccurate information from, Ug?

The EU is strangling the UK in burdensome regulations:
like the rule that you can’t recycle a teabag, or that children under eight cannot blow up balloons, or the limits on the power of vacuum cleaners, or VAT on tampons.

Oh, goodness, Ug!

Recycling teabags? Is this some sort of a joke or do you seriously want to dry out the teapowder and the little bags for reuse?

Most teabags are virtually unrecyleable (i.e don't biodgrade) because they contain plastic. Not only non-biodegradeable but also not very healthy as they release plastic particles into your tea when immersed in boiling water...

www.countryliving.com/uk/create/food-and-drink/news/a3291/plastic-tea-bags-environment/

I can't actually find an EU directive which forbids recycling them. Can you point me at one?

The EU doesn't ban children under eight from blowing up balloons. Here, straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak:

europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-11-698_en.htm

(Anyway, if they did, how on earth would they police it)

I have a very efficient 100 watt vacuum cleaner and an 800 watt one that would suck you into its dust bin if it got the chance.

What does the EU have to say about vacuums:

blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/media-reporting-on-vacuum-cleaners-don%E2%80%99t-get-sucked-in/

Tampon tax?

EU voted to allow member states to set their own VAT rates on sanitary products in 2016, including zero rating:

qz.com/642811/the-eu-will-finally-allow-member-states-to-scrap-their-tampon-tax/

Answered most of your points but very willing to see others step in.
Meantime........
Non-auditing of accounts?
Cf protection of tax havens by opting out of eu regulation/ financial misrepresentation eg red bus figures.

Tampon tax?
All vat receipts are redirected by Holyrood to benefit women's charities (and free sanitary protection for students.)

Hoovers with a bit less 'suck power'?
Frankly my dear I don't give a damn!

Oops - wrong thread! Sorry.
Will re-post.

This thread won’t stay for us Brexiteers aprilrose I can sense the Remainers scrambling for ‘evidence’ and typing furiously already!

Posted to soon!

Tampon tax?
vacuum cleaners?

Non auditing of accounts?

Add to that the vagaries of the Euro as a currency and the fact that the biggest shareholder in the EU - Germany is propping up the Bundesbank and the Duetchbank with money it doesn't have.

If we leave the EU I think it might well collapse sooner. If we do not leave the EU it will stagger on a few years, we will be hamstrung by being part of the Euro currency and when the whole lot collapses, we will go down with it. An almighty crash.

In addition to that now, since we voted to leave and have made steps to do so, if we remain as those remain minded here want to do, the EU, especially Germany and France will do their best to "punish" this country , or rather its population for daring to vote against them. They will be successful. It will be deep and swinging and general. We have to face the future and go it alone outside. I have no reason to feel we will be better off punished by the EU and staying than we will leaving on WTO.

That is something remain minded people do not seem to understand -or maybe that is their utopia?

We need to leave now. There can be no going back

That is before I would get onto my political worries about such a large federalist union which cannot meet the needs of all its member states.

The phrase of Jean Claude Monet often exercises me on this:
""Europe's nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation."

That essentially means we have all been lied to from the outset.

The whole idea of such a superstate frightens me in terms of the power it will certainly wield. Power corrupts. Superstates do not work well.

He also pointed out that there is really no such place as Europe. He intended to invent it. To do that it would be necessary to destroy all individual identities. I have a distaste for that kind of ideology.

Last comment facetious mcem but it’s to be expected I suppose.

Ooops forgot about the straight banana rule!

Since when has your life been disrupted by being unable to recycle a teabag?
Locally, soft fruits were dumped because locals won't do the job
( because the current benefit system makes it virtually impossible to take short term seasonal jobs. Free movement meant eu nationals could opt in then return home.
In any left of centre society the rich subsidise the poor.
BJ and cohorts desperate to avoid new eu rules on taxation will wreck their tax avoidance schemes.
So your point is???

I’ve done this before - check the archives. It’s tedious to go over it again as no one is going to be swayed by arguments anyway after 3+ years!

One The EU is strangling the UK in burdensome regulations:
like the rule that you can’t recycle a teabag, or that children under eight cannot blow up balloons, or the limits on the power of vacuum cleaners, or VAT on tampons.

Two Immigration:
In recent years, hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans have come to Britain to do a job. This has undercut the native working population. Don’t give me that the British workers ‘won’t do the jobs’.

Three The UK could keep the money it currently sends to the EU
For every £1 we give the EU they let us have 38p back.

Four for good measure Nonnie
Corruption in the EU set up. They haven’t had their accounts audited for nigh on 20 years. I wonder why?

I think most folk in this country are well and truly fed up of brexit and want it to stop.

The problem is that much of the media support BJ's slogan of "get brexit done" and encourage their readers to think that would be the end of the nightmare when in fact it would only be the beginning.

How do we get the message across to these folk that the only way to stop brexit is to STOP BREXIT?

Which leavers Maizie? Shouldnt you be saying some leavers? Some of us read the booklet. Some of us thought for ourselves afterwards too.

In answer to OP, I’m fed up with the whole darned mess. I suspect eventually we will have a new ‘normal’ but who knows what that might be?

I fear for the future!

No. I will not fall into the trap of answering any question on your terms nonnie. I learned not to do that a long time ago. I explained the reasons behind my husband losing his job. It was directly as a result of an EU grant, not because of another countries laws or ours.

The paranoia was/ is his problem. His response to being thrown away I suppose but we all responds differently dont we? No doubt you are harder than the nails my old grandmother used to make in the industrial midlands circa 1901.