For brexiters only please.

I am afraid it is our International Health Service that is the huge pull factor. They are supposed to ask for proof of residency before treatment but they don't. Free health care is the big pull factor as in France we have to pay if we need to see a GP, and pay for prescriptions too which are not subsidised as they are in UK. Until all health professionals insist upon proof of residency or valid health insurance before treatment the pull will remain and our queues for treatment will get longer.

Maybe it’s the riots in France entering the 53rd week, riots in Catalonia, high unemployment in all Southern European “States”, Germany tipping into recession.......or the not reported 3 explosions in Stockholm this week (just adding to the number this year)
All the above make the UK an extremely inviting prospect.

(All the above are easily verified by a google search)

I wonder if it’s because we don’t have ID cards maddyone ?
That said I’m sure illegals have a network system over here to help them navigate work off grid.

I would love to believe that Macron would (inadvertantly) help us out so that Boris could get his majority via an early election, but I have no faith in France being able to vote independently, any more than I felt that Britain could vote independently whilst in the EU, which is why I voted to leave ?

I think newnanny that Macron, in his traditional Brexit bad cop role, may force a summit. But, with Angela Merkel, Ireland and the reality of no deal ranged against him, the French president will surely fall into line.

Macron may kick up rough about the latest delay but when it comes to ‘le crunch’ he won’t be prepared to force a no-deal Brexit.

Why, having ridden out the yellow vests protest, would he risk an invasion of Paris by furious fishermen in gilets jaunes?

And why would he force Ireland into economic destruction, and lose the Brussels blame game, in a move that would raise existential questions about the benefits of EU membership for smaller countries?

Urmstongran, I do wonder that myself. I’ve heard all the reasons that range across the different opinions eg the benefits are better here, they’ll be housed quickly, they can work illegally and for some reason they want to do that, health care is free here, once they’re legal they can get their families in as well, they speak English and obviously so do we. For me, I don’t really understand the pull factor over other European countries that seem just as attractive. Something is pulling them here, but what?

Totally agree. The arrogance of the Remainers is staggering. Most Leavers realise that Remainers are only interested in their own bigoted opinions and EU worshipping through blinkered eyes. Best to let them carry on ranting and doing everything they can to damage the future for their grandchildren. Everything they dream up is incontrovertible fact and everyone else is half baked. They live in lalaland. I dread to think what the teachers amongst them were brainwashing our young with. We moved out of London when our DD2 was told to write an essay on burning Mrs Thatcher on a bonfire. Murdering people who disagree with you seemed quite acceptable to them. Nothing they come up with surprises me now.

So, do we think Macron will hold out so Boris gets his election before Xmas? We really need to get rid of this blocking, Remainer parliament.

Well said Sussexgran

Migrants are safe in France. Why the desperate measures to get over here??

Hi there dellygran
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Remainers would like to turn this thread into just another ping pong game of Brexit you will notice!

I think they will miss out far more than we will. Their anti terrorists units seem far less efficient and the French in particular treat their immigrants appallingly creating hot beds of desperate young people who just want a fair chance in life and not to be stuck in ghettos

You're a bit late with the Europol story ladies. I thought you knew everything about what will happen post Brexit.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-europol-membership-crime-cross-border-security-intelligence-deal-a8633036.html

As an occasional Gransnetter, ardent Brexiteer and First time poster, I would like to say thank you, aprilrose, for starting this thread.
Like others on here I am sick to the back teeth of being belittled by the 'Islington set' as if I am a dough brained idiot for not agreeing with their point of view.

Good. Don't drop too many stitches.

Oh, that's OK, Dinahmo, we'll knit one of our own... ?

In the news - UK faces expulsion from Europol anti trafficking unit after Brexit.

Joelsnan et al

My reasons for staying in the EU

1. Before joining the EEC we were known as the poor man of Europe

2. Before the referendum in 2016 we were one of the wealthiest nations in the EU

3. Peace within the E~U for 75 years - longest period of peace in 2000 years

4. Non tariff trade barriers

5. Free movement of labour - plugs skills gaps - doctors, vets, plumbers

6. Free movement of labour provides unskilled workers to fill the jobs that Britons don't want - seasonal agricultural work for example

7. Access to the single market has helped investment into the UK from outside the EU

8. The UK's net contribution to the EU budget is £7.3bn (0.4% of GDP). It's also less than 1/8 of our defence spending

9. Common Arrest Warrant

10. Minimum guaranteed maternity leave of 14 weeks for pregnant women and 18 weeks of parental leave after the baby is born

11. Introduction of pet passports

12. Cheaper air travel due to EU competition laws

13. Over 45 million people travelled to Europe on holiday in 2018

14. Funding for the British film industry, theatre, music, dance and sports. Grants for these, with the possible exception of sport as the govt sees that as a way to keep the population healthy, has been drastically cut over the last 10 years.

15. Pooling of resources and intelligence.

Will that do? Or do you want more?

I hope it will go through Varian, but who knows now! We’ll have to wait and see.

The leave voters in the fraudulent referendum bave already cost us £69 billion . That equals about £4000 for every leave voter.

If I had been foolish enough to have believed the leave liars I would be thoroughly ashamed.

Wake up. We have lost enough because of this brexit nonsense. Enough is enough. Stop Brexit before it is too late.

Ha ha, not joining in the discussion this time, but LOVE the cartoon posted by Whitewave.

The ones who will profit most are the high-profile advocates of brexit.
They'd avoid eu tightening of tax havens, go for shorting currency, gain opportunities to buy up chunks of nhs.
Jacob R-M is just one of them but plenty more would like to jump on the bandwagon.

I love the statement that Opal (well done you lady) has satisfied gfp’s repeated requests for clarifications regards Leaving.

I truly gave mine months ago! Then after Nonnie asked (repeatedly) for reasons to change her mind (god love her she is totally disingenuous - as if THAT would ever happen haha!) - wonder if she’s heard of ‘Google - reasons for’?) ) I reiterated them (please check the archives if you don’t believe me!)

Anyway the freedom OUR little thread has given us (thank you aprilrose) is that here, WE are in the driving seat! No links necessary! No ‘please explain, I have asked several times for 3 examples’ etc.!

Here we all are. A happy band of Brexiters. If Remainers (who can’t help themselves from straying on here - they just can’t resist!) pop up we don’t have to engage if we don’t choose to.

varian
In the three and more years before and since the referendum just about every economic projection and BOE projection of doom and collapse has been wrong. The economy has continued to grow, unemployment continues to fall and the only thing that has noticed any downward impact has been on the value of the £, caused mainly through the indecision.
Now, you can continue to read the propaganda pumped out by those who want to keep the status quo (because it is most profitable for them to remain) and be in a constant state of stress, or like others, don't take the bait.

That’s the thing joelsnan, most brexiters made their decision and haven’t felt the need to justify it to all and sundry whereas the remainers seem to be re-running the referendum on a daily basis on this site.

I’m interested in the to and fro as I didn’t vote but feel they won’t be happy until they’ve dragooned every last man standing into the EU boat and sailed merrily off into the sunset.

How much could Brexit cost the economy in the future?

The Government’s own analysis of the impact of Brexit found that the UK would be worse off outside the European Union under every scenario.

The report, made available to MPs last year, assessed the regional impact of staying in the single market, leaving with a free-trade deal, and a no-deal Brexit.

The worst-affected region of the UK was expected to be the Northeast, which voted heavily in favour of Brexit. A 3% fall in the area’s GDP growth was forecast if the UK stayed in the single market, with an 11% drop under the trade-deal model, and a 16% fall if there was no Brexit deal.

“The losses are predicted to come over 15 years and are relative to projected growth if the UK had remained within the EU,” Politico reports.

www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk

Every financial projection shows that any kind of brexit is worse than the deal we already have as EU members.

Theresa May's deal was bad, Boris Johnson's deal is worse and a crash out no deal brexit is utterly disastrous.

How irresponsible would you have to be to ignore these facts?