For brexiters only please.

It isn't in Johnson's power to call an election. Under the Fixed Term Parliaments Act the decision to call an election has to be made by two thirds of MPs. Johnson doesn't have the numbers for this.

He can bluster all he likes but at the moment the timing of a GE is in the hands of the Opposition and they're not going to dance to his tune.

I agree with that crystaltipps
Which is why Johnson should call an election right now, because after Brexit won’t be a good time for anyone and we will end up with a hung Parliament yet again.

We all know labour are weak and their dithering leader has made them worse. If they had a decent leader and clear policies they would wipe the floor with the Tories, who have been less than spectacular. Having a weak opposition doesn’t make the government any better, just gives less choice to the voters and reminds us what a fragile state our creaking antiquarian political system is in.

Thanks for the link Joelsnan, excellent info. Hopefully it will give the remainers something to chew on - other than bread and butter pudding .

Jura2 - nothing Boris will ever do can ever make Corbyn sound "statesmanlike" - he's a politician, not a miracle worker!

Maizied
lawyersforbritain.org/brexit-legal-guide/wto-and-international-trade/brexit-and-international-trade

This might explain

Yes, I note that exports are still decent to EU, however any good business person would look at the trend, look at the opportunity and competition pools and would look to other blue sky markets to compensate and eventually overtake this declining market.

It would also be interesting to note how much of the UK's exports to the ROW are by way of FTA agreements negotiated through the EU. All of which fall on our exit and will have to be renegotiated*, a process taking a number of years and are likely to offer the UK less favourable terms.

*By a very small pool of experienced trade negotiators as we haven't done any independent trade negotiations for several decades.

That all sounds very hush hush ? ......but should you be giving the game away?

Baileys and bread and butter pud, can I have custard with tha, please.

Perhaps lemon or perhaps I know more than you think I do.

Perhaps us leavers should be flattered that although the remainers have their own thread, they can't stop posting on this one.

Hi jura2 probably as well you posted on this Leaver’s thread - you don’t want to get lost amongst the bread and butter pudding posts! Actually, on second thoughts ....

Have you been at the Baileys again trisher ?

but the biggest mistake happened right at the start - and was putting a very vague binary question in a Refererendum that could mean 1000 and more things to different people- without any preparation whatsoever. Criminal, I'd say.

Actually, this is exactly what has happened- Many faced up to it to find out what it would mean, and what the consequences would be. Listened, read, researched, ... realised- and faced up to the reality. Never more so than now.

The biggest mistake made since the referendum was not facing up to the result.

The question is how long Labour can hold out before having to go back to the people in a general election?

Refusing is going to be hard to maintain as Tories taunt them over the holidays about being afraid to call a GE, justified or not.

And if they refuse and Parliament finds itself in exactly the same spot in 90 days, there's no Benn act to stop a no-deal next time.

The only sure way to stop a no-deal is to replace Boris as PM, but Labour don't seem to have much faith that a GE would do that. Not a good look.

Ah if only you knew! The preparations for a GE are going quietly on behind the scenes. After all why not let Boris tie himself in knots trying to square the circle? I will say watch out for the biggest ever use of social media to organise a campaign with meetings and public appearances set up at short notice to spread the word. And Brexit being pushed into the background by socialism

lemon ''Urmston could that be the same Jeremy Corbyn who is hiding behind the curtains whenever a GE is mentioned at the moment?''

yes the very one- and he is 100% right to do so. It is a trap and solves nothing. Not a Corbyn fan, but Boris has made him look and sound like a statesman lately- which is a miracle. And he has seen the trap from a mile away and refused to fall in it. Bravo.

*lemongrove’ love it!

Yes, regards JC - the very one!

Labour will pay at the impending GE for breaking their promise to their leave supporters to honour the 2016 ‘once in a generation referendum to leave the EU’

61% of their constituencies voted to LEAVE.

Urmston could that be the same Jeremy Corbyn who is hiding behind the curtains whenever a GE is mentioned at the moment?

The Remainer thread is talking about bread and butter puddings and errant apostrophes ? which is why many are choosing to come on here.

And hi to you Miche
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There are more and more of us. Some prefer reading to posting - but on this thread it’s nice to be able to come on just to say ‘hello’!

Say how you feel. No need for links and ‘evidence’ on our thread (but the Remainers will scoff - I don’t actually care!) There are expert opinions on both sides of this remember.

This was interesting:

"When a government finds itself without a majority the solution is not to undermine democracy. The solution is to let the people decide, and call a general election." (Jeremy Corbyn, 2 Sep, 2019)

Laura Kuensberg has never been a Boris Johnson fan ( or a Theresa May Fan) I really don’t know where you get your facts from jura2

Welcome SuperAli to this great thread.

I love how Remainers just can’t resist coming on to post!
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Stay determined Boris, millions of Britain's silent majority support you to have a General Election to clear out this rotten remainer Parliament and deliver Brexit. Well done Boris.

Wow, when fan numero uno Laura Kuensberg calls Boris a double liar for his performance today - you know things are seriously kicking off.