For brexiters only please.

i don't know why the house didn't pass the second motion for any other reason than to continue their obstruction.
All who voted for the delay were the ones who said the WA was nothing other than T Mays deal with lipstick, which had been discussed, mulled over and rejected time and time again, so they know everything about it other than the minor changes BJ negotiated.
How hard is it to read and understand the 125 page WA explanatory document especially when you already know the majority of its content.

What we need now is for the EU to give us only a 1 - 2 week extension - to read up on the bill and then vote on it as Parliament have ACCEPTED the deal but just want longer to scrutinise it.

Is he going to be dead in a ditch then.? Or was that another lie?

A good result tonight, Parliament have agreed in principle to accept the deal.?
Would have been even better had they agreed to the three day timetable , however if we need a short extension for this then worth waiting for.The stalemate has ended, thank goodness.

How do we know the EU won't insist we join the Euro at a later date

I've read your link growstuff and it states "All other EU member states are supposed to join the Euro eventually, but this doesn’t override the UK or Denmark’s opt out, and there is currently no time limit on reaching that goal.".

As it stands, I agree there is no time limit, but no-one can be in any doubt that the EU's ultimate intention is for all member states to join the Euro, be that in two years or twenty years. And by joining, we would be tying ourselves to the economies of all the other member states, which would be a huge mistake.

growstuff
Where is your absolute evidence that it wouldn't happen at a later date?

The EU is far from snowy white and a number of countries ARE in agreement on the Federalist ideology, not a majority at the moment, but (as is common), pressure can be levied by the more powerful nations on the poorer ones when the time is right, the poorer countries will conform because of their financial reliance.
Just imagine you in a room of 26 strident leavers who all want to close the channel tunnel and you as a the single remainer want to keep it. What hope do you have of winning the argument?

Exactly Joelsnan, as a population, we have far less, if any, control over the whole of the EU, than we do over our own Government and political system.

mcem
So not at all perturbed by the actions of the govt when it comes to trusting their word

Not really, because we all have a vote and can change any government whose policies and practices do not align with the majority electorates needs.

We can’t do that with a directive from the EU, plus, we can only change the MEPs elected from UK, not from the remaining 27 (or however many countries), no matter how bad it might get.

One more reason for beeing happy to leave.

I “honestly believe” Brexit is bad for the U.K. it’s economy, it’s society and unity.
Any evidence to suggest otherwise?

You have absolutely no evidence of that Opal.

fullfact.org/europe/eu-countries-euro-2020/

More Project Fear from Brexit propagandists, I'm afraid.

So not at all perturbed by the actions of the govt when it comes to trusting their word?

Should have added that I honestly believe that would be a disaster for the UK.

I don't believe them growstuff, that's what they say at the moment. However, their intention is for closer and closer unity between the member nations, and I honestly believe that a single currency will be the result.

At present

"because if we stay in the EU we will eventually adopt the Euro"
Not if we didn't want to. As of this moment, we have a vote that would override any others with regard to our own economy.
Of course, if we leave, we have no say in what the EU does. And when we beg to come back, it will be under rules that they set.

Why do you think that Opal? The EU has stated categorically that the UK won't have to join the Euro.

Thank God we never joined the Euro! That was one of my main reasons for voting leave, because if we stay in the EU we will eventually adopt the Euro. Why would we ever want to tie our economy to economies of countries most of which are nowhere near as successful and diverse as ours? Yet at the same time, we would be expected to bail them out when they were struggling, i.e. Greece, Spain et al. Absolutely bonkers to do so.

joelsnan
Same here RE the Maarstrict treaty. I knew then where it would eventually take us.
All I'm keeping my eye on at the moment is the German economy, it's not looking good.

What if the roast wasn't actually available but you offered it to them in the hope that they'd ask for salad? Or would you then give them something that looked a bit like a roast but wasn't really a roast.

Amagran
A democracy is not a democracy if you are not allowed to changed your mind

Very true, however upholding the tenets of a truly democratic society surely should be more important than the few who change their mind otherwise Anarchy will prevail.

If you asked your family what they wanted for tea and they said a roast, would you give them salad because its what you want?

Janipat
Of course I heard the propaganda from both sides. The sunny uplands from the Leavers and the pits of gloom from the remainers, but I have been following events in the EU since the Maastricht treaty was signed and it was all those years of observing that formed my decision. We were supposed to have had a referendum on accepting that and then it was stopped.
Anyone who has divorced knows that it is often a painful, costly and often prolonged affair. Many have doubts and anxieties along the way. Few regret the final outcome.

Bit like Brexit then....….

I’m off.

This thread is never going to fulfill its aspirations, sadly.

No need for anyone on this page to close their eyes as it was a quote from a brexiteer [so it must be true....]….