For brexiters only please.

Works fine when I tried it.

Thank you for confirming my observations GracesGranMK3 just the response I expected.

Tried to Hooty ( out of curiosity) but couldn't access it.

Read this

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/5-reasons-not-peoples-vote-20665385

AllTheLs haha, yes, where’s Guy Fawkes when you need him??

Love it AllTheLs.

AlltheLs ''Next in line would be all the MPs who are paid to represent their constituents and haven't. All those whose majority of constituents voted Leave.''

So you believe that MPs should scrutinise and analyse the real effects and consequences of No Deal (remember we were all promised a great deal, the best deal, the easiest and quickest deal, that we held all the cards ...) - come to the conclusion they would be disastrous on their constituents - and just be quiet about it- and let it all happen without asking said Constituents if it is really what they want- now they know???

You have a very different view of our Sovereign British Parliamentary Democracy, for sure.

aprilrose, I feel your pain and I'm totally with you. I also had a little celebration planned on 31st. Sadly, though, I now think we will never leave the EU - Parliament are not going to allow it - sanctimonious twits that they are.

I wish I were a medieval Queen and could utter those magic words "Off with his head". First in the queue would be John Bercow (power-crazed, smug, reprehensible idiot). Next in line would be all the MPs who are paid to represent their constituents and haven't. All those whose majority of constituents voted Leave. They don't deserve their positions. Traitors and betrayers, the lot of them. Theresa May said it much more eloquently in her speech on Saturday. That we've been subjected to the biggest con-trick in history.

I cheer myself up with this -

A new sparkly thread for Remainers has been set up?
We must all feel free to comment on it of course.....

Most appear to have had jobs in education or similar and now have good pensions often with second homes in Europe. There concern is more free travel to their villas rather than free travellers coming to work in the low pay jobs in the leave constituencies. They come because the low pay here is still better than their pay at home.

Rubbish yet again. If that is how you see me so be it. I am not going to explain to you my life or my lifestyle.

Yes, I am very aware of how referendums are manipulated to achieve outcomes desired and are often re-run until those who shout loudest achieve their goals.

You are very happy to turn peoples words on their heads, aren't you? It is such a stupid thing to do as most people remember what they said. Governments with more direct democracy allow for more information coming to light, a change in mood, etc. I most certainly did not say that these countries "manipulate" referendums. The citizens know and understand how their democracy works which, it has become very apparent, is more than can be said for many of our citizens. I was not thinking about Eire, France or the Netherlands. Perhaps you can explain the level of direct democracy in these countries and how it works and please stop twisting my words - it is a form of lying.

I see a thread for remainers only has been started so hopefully this one can be left for us leavers.

It is interesting how there are those so entrenched in their views that now ears and eyes are closed on both sides, both claim name calling as justification for their intransigence.

I'm afraid I think that is rubbish.

GracesGranMK3
Thank you for your response.
It is interesting how there are those so entrenched in their views that now ears and eyes are closed on both sides, both claim name calling as justification for their intransigence.

Re referendums: Yes, I am very aware of how referendums are manipulated to achieve outcomes desired and are often re-run until those who shout loudest achieve their goals. Recently Eire, France and the Netherlands. The Brexit referendum was sold as a once in a lifetime decision of leave or remain. Not hard or soft. Everyone had a level of understanding on what EU membership meant to them on BOTH sides, some more informed, some less so. I feel sorry for those who voted remain who state that we know more now than in 2016. Maybe they should not have been so parochial in their understanding in 2016, adopting the I’m alright jack attitude without examining the issues related to EU membership affecting the working classes, not just in the UK but throughout Europe as reinforced by the recent Gilet Jaune demonstrations.

I asked the question about class because it seems apparent that a large majority on this site who are vehement remainers are/were not of the blue collar category. Most appear to have had jobs in education or similar and now have good pensions often with second homes in Europe. There concern is more free travel to their villas rather than free travellers coming to work in the low pay jobs in the leave constituencies. They come because the low pay here is still better than their pay at home.
They worry about their children not being able to live and work in Europe. How many kids speak 27 European languages fluently enough to be able to work anywhere in Europe. What about the low academic kids, do we leave them to fight for low paid warehouse jobs with more educated from Europe who can make more money here?
I find it quite distressing how so many people are only concerned with ‘me and mine’ whilst living their comfortable existence. I think of ‘let them eat cake’.

Mon 21-Oct-19 20:08:55

Very confrontational talk.

Yes, Joelsnan. As I said "To use the language favoured by those who, just as the OP and the Tories use it to set about excluding half the country and denying free speech and parliament's rights, ... I am glad you appreciate that the language of leave voters has descended to confrontation.

BTW, Do you know any other ‘civilised’ country where:
In a democratic referendum the largest % of actual voters are prevented from having the result of the referendum enacted by the losers?

I know of countries where a government will not go ahead with the result of a referendum if, when it has been explored, it is obviously detrimental to the country. Do you? In fact, do you know anything about how referendums are carried out in other countries?

Mon 21-Oct-19 20:01:00

BTW, do you consider yourself Middle, Upper class or what?

What an exceedingly odd question. However, although I imagine many would consider it ill-mannered to pry, you asked so I will answer.

Social class, as we used to know it (apparently) is only defined in the mind of those checking where they and others fit in; I don't think it exists as it once did. I was brought up to believe I could talk to anyone be they dustman or Duke (in more unconsciously sexist days) because we are all equals. I still believe that and as a result, see myself as equal to anyone and classless.

It seems remainers now have another thread set up for them. Thats OK. Since they now have this one as well, they have two exclusive threads for themselves. Enjoy. I dont think any leavers will be back here now and I am gone too.

I do respect the remainers rights and I wont be trying to elbow in on your exclusive thread.

The problem is of course that having landed us in a position which is completely untenable with an impasse in N. Ireland, Scotland possibly wanting independence and economic chaos, those who voted leave are now loudly complaining that no one is respecting the vote. I suppose it's easier than admitting they were sold a pup, but it's really not the grown up way to behave. If they are so sure that leaving is the right thing well let's have another vote and those who believe so fervently in Brexit can campaign and explain the benefits to us all.

Listening to someone (didn't catch her name) who was representing businesses in Northern Ireland saying that things would be just as unsure if we went into a no-deal Brexit.

Also:

* Just one in five British people would choose to leave the EU with Boris Johnson's deal as their preferred Brexit outcome.

* Cancelling Brexit altogether remains the most popular outcome among British voters.

* Just 14% would prefer to leave the EU without a deal.

www.businessinsider.com/poll-brits-prefer-scrap-brexit-than-accept-boris-johnson-deal-2019-10?r=US&IR=T

Grandad1943. I hope you have a safe flight

This might be of interest.
Paintingthetownred 20 Oct 19 19. 55:20
^No such thing as a thread 'for brexiteers only'.
that is not part of any kind of discussion or democractic process. So I've asked the moderators to delete it asap. Any other approach is fascist, to be blunt^

As you can see Painting asked moderators to delete this thread.

In her own thread for remainers, she stated that her thread was a response to this one because the mods had told her that we had not broken terms and conditions. Of course I cannot varify or prove that for you. They deleted the remain thread.

As I said, it was probably because it broke T&C in someway. of course since I didnt read it, I cannot say what happened there.

lemongrove, Johnson will get his General Election when Parliament is sure he cannot crash Britain out of the EU with "no deal"

No one trusts him, and there are plenty off people around who have proof you should not.

The other thread was deleted for other reasons than being for
Any Remainers to air their views exclusively, that’s how I saw it anyway.
I remember there was one years ago which was supposedly only for Labour supporters ( that went well)?
I think that if Parliament try and load the process with amendments, Johnson should pull it altogether and demand a GE.

My father also didn't survive the war and lies in a grave in the Netherlands,but I voted to leave the EU and would most certainly do so again. For parliamentarians to sign up for and go into a GE on the back of delivering Brexit in order, as we now know, to keep their parliamentary seats and use them to destroy Brexit, is nothing short of shocking deception. The Speaker is blatantly biased, and MP's liars and cheats. Boris is trying to deliver what the country voted for! Hardly a criminal act!

aprilrose, why would a remain person complain about a thread supporting remain views.

I BELIEVE, it was in this thread that someone spoke on how they would get a thread deleted, and it was removed shortly after that post.

I am just about to catch a flight back to Britain, so I cannot check that out at the moment.

However, obviously some forum member with leave views must have complained to the powers that be and it was deleted

Actually it was this thread that was complained about by remainers. I think something more happened on the other thread ( for remainers) that led to it being deleted. I dont know because I did not read or contribute to it. I respected their wishes.

Calm down dear

That is rather patronising. I am not even angry. I am just sad. But that is what happens on forums like GN. They are no different to any other.