For brexiters only please.

With respect Grandad I think you’re missing the point - threads open only to one group of posters? Ludicrous and anyway totally unworkable.

If the remain thread would have been allowed to continue and not taken down then perhaps all the controversy and disagreement in this thread may not have taken place.

However, obviously some forum member with leave views must have complained to the powers that be and it was deleted.

I actually posted on that thread, but then turned to here once a place to give my remain views was denied to me.

What was not pretty clear but was crystal clear was that I thought it was completely out of order for any GNer to think she could have a thread dedicated for use by one group of members especially on a contentious subject that arouses high emotions. It’s always possible to start a thread about a contentious subject without stating it’s only for one group of people.
I started a thread last night about the decriminalisation of abortion in NI. I didn’t entitle it ‘For pro-choices only please’ . If anyone destroyed your thread april it was petulant Brexiters who didn’t get their own way in having a space of their own on a public forum

Calm down dear.

It was pretty clear from the outset suzie that you wanted to destroy this thread. Yes, you did a good job. If that gives you pride, I think you need to look at yourself a little more closely.

I was a Brexiteer but now distance myself from them and have been disgusted by those thugs waving the flag of St George who align themselves with Leave.

Job done then april so far as I’m concerned

Eleoethan. You need to read correctly. I used the word "Tribalism" in response to someone else who used the word. My argument was counter tribalism, not pro it.

Anyway, as others have said ( note that, its not me), this thread has been well and truly taken off topic now. So Goodbye.

I know I have said this before but it has appeared on this thread - please don’t say “ we survived the war so we will get through this” as a justification for Brexit. . Millions didn’t survive the war including my uncle who is in a grave in the Netherlands. It’s an insult to them to compare their sacrifice with this omnishambles.

Calling millions of decent people “sore losers” is childish and does not reflect the situation at all. It’s not. A game of snakes and ladders, it peoples’ lives and livelihoods which they have every right to fight for. The political and economic chaos caused by poorly thought out and undeliverable promises must be challenged. We have a right to say “not in my name” when spurious claims are made about “what the people want” and “what we voted for”. The cobbled together last minute unworkable proposals are not in anyone’s interests apart from a few gamblers. We are all going to be losers.

It's posts such as the "Brexit Brexit Brexit" one which really convince me that the whole project is something cooked up by a bunch of seven year olds. For some reason, I have the image of a scene from an Enid Blyton book or maybe "Lord of the Flies".

I guess it's linked to a martyrdom complex, which seems to be remarkably prevalent. Maybe they see themselves as heroes and heroines in an alien world - hence the images of war and chivalry.

aprilrose You start a thread specifically for leavers and then later in that thread you talk of "tribalism" - which is just what your OP symbolised.

Remainers, it is claimed, have "hijacked" the thread. How exactly have they done that? Can they prevent others from posting a comment?

Then there is the ridiculous comments about this thread providing a "safe space" for leavers, for whom it has taken "a lot of courage" to voice their opinions.

Posters on Gransnet are anonymous. They need not fear, as some people do, being carted off to a secret prison where goodness knows what fate awaits them. Gransnetters can post to their hearts' content without any harm coming to them - provided of course, their comments are not threatening or libelous. Even if some posters are scared of being "out on their own" in expressing an unpopular view, that does not apply in this case. There are many leavers on Gransnet (as this thread evidences) so to say that "courage~" is needed for them to post is quite ludicrous.

changering changing

Got my big wooden spoon out to stir the mix a bit more... I am with brexit all the way, and even more after all the dirty backstabbing that has been going on. I do hope that these awful remainer and Party changering MP's loose their seats in the next General Election.
Brexit, Brexit, Brexit....

I think Joel has a great Nan

Your last paragraph Joelsnan.....spot on!

Presumably the ‘bigger picture’ growstuff is your excuse for all the whingeing that has gone on over the last three years.
Oooh, it’s not fair, we don’t like that result etc.Well, sorry but
You may not like it, but many of us do.
When Corbyn loses the GE you may well not like that outcome either, and will you demand a re-run?

growstuff
Thank you for your response, however it is a vague generalisation.
What I am hoping to get are specific benefits that are exclusive to EU membership that are beneficial and are what has convinced you that remaining is best for you, your family and the rest of the nation.

The way our government has behaved over the last few weeks just confirms my view that is a project which isn't a noble or worthwhile one

Why blame to government for trying to apply a democratic decision made by asking the eligible electorate of the UK what they wanted in a leave/stay referendum. As mentioned earlier, have you ever known a country where a group of people who lost a vote are trying to destroy democracy? All those poor countries fighting for a democratic state must be looking on gobsmacked

The idea of leaving the EU and becoming a free nation is a very grand and noble one.

However (and it's a huge however), leaving the EU, in reality, involves thousands of individual decisions. All of those needing breaking down and analysed. Then they all need to be considered as a whole. There may very well be advantages to a small group of some decisions, but there could be unintended consequences elsewhere, which will disadvantage other (maybe bigger) groups elsewhere.

We know what the status quo looks like. In some respects, it's not pretty and needs action, BUT the issue is whether leaving the EU will resolve those issues and I just don't believe it would. My own conclusion is that, in many ways, problems would become worse. IF there were mitigating factors, I could certainly be persuaded that leaving the EU is the better option - but, sadly, those who voted to leave don't appear to be able or willing to explain those mitigating factors. That's why those who voted to remain are so exasperated.

The way our government has behaved over the last few weeks just confirms my view that is a project which isn't a noble or worthwhile one. If it were, the government wouldn't need to resort to the underhand tactics it has. It's all a big game to them, but the stakes are high and, unfortunately, very real. We're not pieces on a Monopoly board, which is how I feel Johnson, Rees Mogg, Cummings and their cronies are treating the plebs people. The childishness of some of the posts by those who voted to leave confirms my views even more.

I still maintain that the leave campaign was based on lies and misinformation [and it pandered to racism]. As far as I'm concerned I'm fighting an injustice [and also standing up for the three out of 5 countries that didn't vote for it]. I do not want a return to the troubles in Ireland and I think that the EU are responsible for the fact that we no longer have wars in Europe.If that makes me a sore loser sobeit. But I'd rather be me than you even if I do get heckled in the street for it....

Oh for goodness' sake lemongrove grow up! This isn't a football game or an episode of "Bake Off". Try to be a little less partisan and actually look at the bigger picture.

I'm beyond irritation with puerile name calling now. If somebody comes up with something worth considering, I'm sure most people would listen, but sadly most of the stuff so-called leavers spout just isn't even worth reading. To those who moan incessantly about being called thick, all I have to say is that if it walks like a duck ...

Joelsnan Here's a concise reason …

Life is about making binary choices. Some of those choices can, of course, be part of a planned series of choices but, in the end, they're all binary choices.

I do not believe (and I don't think many people do) that the EU is perfect or the current state of the UK is ideal.

However, when all the choices are considered, I do not believe any choice would achieve the aims most people want more effectively than staying in the EU and using other means to achieve a fairer society, increase the well being of the nation (or whatever people decide to prioritise). I do not believe that leaving the EU would make life better for anybody other than a minute group of very wealthy people.

I believe the EU has been used as a convenient scapegoat for ills which have been created by the UK's own systems. The same group of wealthy people have exploited people's grievances for their own ends.

That was as concise as I could get ...

......but you are a sore loser, as are others.The definition of a sore loser is one that simply cannot accept the winner and whines about the result.
There are those who voted to remain on GN and do not do that at all, are gracious about the result and think it should be implemented.Then there are those who just cannot let it go and howl for another referendum.

You talk about bullying and in the next breath someone calls remainers, yet again 'sore losers'. I actually wore my EU t shirt when I went into a coffee shop on Saturday night because I was tired, needed a drink and wasn't able to change. It was late and quite quiet but I was still on edge waiting for my lift home to arrive. No shouts of 'you lost, get over it' thankfully [there's a first]. And people say there's no tribalisation.