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aprilrose Sun 20-Oct-19 15:53:29

I would just like one thread for brexiters only please.

I voted leave. I would vote leave again and again and again. There has been nothing to change my mind. I have been hardened by the views of remainers.

I would really like to talk to other brexit minded posters.
Thanks.

Calendargirl Fri 08-Nov-19 15:09:21

NanKate

Good on you, I hope that was reported straight back to that smarmy DG.

MaizieD Fri 08-Nov-19 15:03:02

No, I don't, lemon, but something to make us more reconciled to it would be helpful. Otherwise it remains a pointless decision to us.

lemongrove Fri 08-Nov-19 14:56:47

.....and you have no interest in changing your mind on it, let’s at least be honest MaizieD
Nobody has any interest in selling it to you I shouldn’t wonder.

MaizieD Fri 08-Nov-19 14:41:02

Nobody is asking you to justify your vote, NanKate.

Lemon is twisting what most of us have asked on this thread. Which is "How is leaving the EU going to improve our lives?"

We need it selling to us. Which no-one has achieved, or even really attempted...

lemongrove Fri 08-Nov-19 14:40:04

? Well done NanKate

NanKate Fri 08-Nov-19 14:36:44

Today I had my moment. ?

Two people knocked on my door who represented Dominic Grieve the MP I voted for last time, who has now done everything to stop us leaving the EU even though
he promised to follow the democratic vote.

I was polite to them as I would be to anyone calling at my home but made it abundantly clear that I felt betrayed, let down and generally sad that he was no longer a man of his word. They asked me on a scale of 0 to 5 where I would place him and before I could reply said they expected 0 and I confirmed this.

Please will the Remainers take note that I am not prepared to justify myself to them, as Lemongrove has said so often.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Nov-19 17:48:03

BBC report on a Brexiter

t.co/SFGCuJWxaV?amp=1

MaizieD Tue 05-Nov-19 22:02:13

I did say he's a Leaver.

He, together with others, developed a plan for a staged withdrawal over about 10 years by way of EFTA. It probably could have worked but he was sidelined by the main Leave campaigns and the hysteria about the EU that they (the other Leave campaigns) whipped up, plus May's irresponsible hardline approach, and now Johnson's reckless rhetoric, has made it impossible for any sanity to prevail.

He certainly doesn't want any form of Brexit that's been on offer in the past couple of years grin

varian Tue 05-Nov-19 20:47:15

Most of this makes sense, except for the fact that the author still seems to want some form of brexit.

MaizieD Tue 05-Nov-19 20:41:16

This seems like a good place for this. A twitter thread ostensibly from LeaveHQ, but inreality, I think, by Dr Richard North. He's been Eurosceptic for the past 40 years. I dip into his blog from time to time and I'm impressed by his knowledge and expertise, even though I don't agree with his conclusions about leaving the EU.

I've copied it here because I know that many people don't/won't follow links

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Tories and BXP are the same. Their vision for the UK (if it can be called that) is a collection of slogans and mantras without substance or a plan taking into account the realities of modern trade and cooperation. Beyond the immediate goal of #Brexit day, the cupboard is bare.
The sum total of Tory ambition is a threadbare deal with the US. That's as much thought as they've put into Britain's future and our place in the world. They think a quickie divorce from the EU resolves the European issue, failing to note that bilateral relations are a continuum.
Opponents are accused of sabotaging Brexit but do we really expect them to just roll over on the basis of a fantasy prospectus dreamt up by ideologue Tories who haven't the first idea how modern trade functions? They want credible answers and all we give them is dogma.
The Tories present the lesser of the two dangers while BXP take a wholly destructive nihilistic approach, thinking that any comprehensive relationship with the EU is a betrayal. But both paths end up at a similar dead end with the UK scrabbling for any deal we can get.
At no point have Brexiters given any thought as to what an independent Britain seeks to achieve internationally, or come up with a worthwhile domestic agenda. Brexit has become a holy grail quest. Beyond the act of leaving, we have offered nothing to voters. No incentive at all.
Empty mantras about "free trade" can win a referendum but at some point those mantras have to be introduced to reality at which point they start to crumble. We needed a comprehensive real world agenda and still the best we can do is blether about tinkering with tariffs.
In respect of that, Brexiteers are no different to Corbyn's Labour in seeking to impose threadbare ideology on to a real world that isn't going to cooperate. It's the same populism fused with zealotry and will have equally disastrous results.
Though we have always argued that the UK does not belong in the EU (and always will) the failure to face reality, seeking credible answers to complex dilemmas, and the failure to plan will see the UK massively diminished in wealth and status.

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varian Tue 05-Nov-19 19:57:49

Pathetic Tory brexiter begs Farage not to put up a candidate in her constituency because she is scared of the increased popularity of the LibDems

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1200178/General-election-news-Brexit-party-nigel-farage-conservative-party

Tooyoungytobeagrandma Tue 05-Nov-19 19:57:22

Leave voter here, and would vote leave again and again. Don't need to justify why I voted that way and if a poster wishes to ask others if they agree thats not a problem either.

maddyone Tue 05-Nov-19 19:44:06

At the end of the day, there were benefits and disadvantages to remaining in the EU, and there are benefits and disadvantages to leaving the EU. That’s why the two sides will never agree. And it’s why it will be better if we leave with a good deal. It’ll be better for the UK and better for the countries in the EU.

Pollaidh Sun 03-Nov-19 08:20:39

I am with Suziewoozie. I voted remain for clear reasons: the EU is a powerful trading bloc and we are at the heart of it; I've worked on many EU funded projects in the UK and they bring tangible benefits to our society; shared data on crime and terrorism is invaluable; shared education and research opportunities likewise. These will be lost if/when we leave and will take decades to rebuild. I have asked friends and family why they voted Leave and the answers included: sovereignty (we have it); must join Euro by 2022 (untrue) and banning of sale of coloured bathroom suites (my Dad) also untrue. Leaving the EU will make us a "third country" and they can only deal with us as such. It will be a tremendous shock to our economy. I live in Scotland and I can tell you without a doubt that this is fuelling the cause of Independence and they will win another referendum. The United Kingdom will be lost. So please, Leavers, my genuine question is: what do you think we will gain?

newnanny Sat 02-Nov-19 11:54:51

Some of the policies are being revealed now. This is the bit I like the best comparing the manifesto policies of all the parties.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 30-Oct-19 09:15:41

I notice some who got the whip back aren't actually standing lemongrove

lemongrove Wed 30-Oct-19 09:09:49

Those ‘actual’ MP’s may have been put there by the voters but the Party can boot out any who they think are guilty of acting against the interests of the Party.....that is their right, to withdraw the whip, so it isn’t anti- democratic (or anything to do with posters on this thread.)

Pantglas2 Wed 30-Oct-19 09:00:33

Oops I thought it was for Growstuff it seemed to fit so well!

GracesGranMK3 Wed 30-Oct-19 08:57:45

Sorry, that was For LadyMuck.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 30-Oct-19 08:57:12

Interesting that you think that a majority vote, which put those 'actual' MPs into power, should be overthrown because you - one voter - don't like it. Whatever happened to democracy - oh no! Only Brexiteers are allowed to say that aren't they.

growstuff Wed 30-Oct-19 08:17:06

Please could we borrow you for my constituency ladymuck. I live in a rock solid Tory constituency with an MP who is totally useless. She doesn't live in the constituency and rarely responds to any contact from constituents, although she did vote to leave the EU (which would please you). A group of people is trying to think how an "anybody but X" vote could be mobilised, so we could really do with your help.

PS. Just to put you in the picture .. the Brexit Party will almost certainly take a few thousand votes, thus aiding the anti-Tory effort, but doesn't stand a chance of winning.

Any ideas how we could knock her off her perch?

ladymuck Wed 30-Oct-19 07:01:53

newnanny...you're right. I hope a lot of the present so-called MPs get booted off their little perches. They seem to think that being voted into office gives them carte blanche to do as they please. They seem to forget that they are our representatives, and supposed to reflect the views of their constituents. If they feel unable to, they should give up their seats.

Labaik Wed 30-Oct-19 06:55:34

Clarke is Tory through and through but sadly represents the good side of Conservatism. As for MP's they are in parliament to do what is best for the country, not destroy it purely because a handful of Tories have hated the EU for a long time and Cameron was scared of losing votes to UKIP....

newnanny Tue 29-Oct-19 23:44:33

There will be a lot of Labour MP's who did not represent their constituencies as they are supposed to do. They may be worried tonight.

newnanny Tue 29-Oct-19 23:43:22

Yup, ditch the dross.