For brexiters only please.

There could still be a December election Fennel but not on Johnson's terms.

Sorry - I think I put my previous posts on the wrong thread.
But it is to do with Brexit.
Just trying to bring people down to earth, what is really happening.

I’ll await your explanation then, or apology for jumping to conclusions and unjustified disparagement, whichever comes first.....

The vote needed a 2 thirds majority and they didn't get it!
So no GE in Dec.

Sadly, the remainders seem to be winning as they’ve managed to delay the leave date again. Whatever happened to democracy? We voted leave, so let us leave

A bit late now, but an excellent debate on the pros and cons of another GE:
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcparliament
Very impassioned speeches from Jeremy Corbyn, Jo Swinson, the leader of the SNP and the leader of the DUP.
Nothing from Wales yet.
Plus comments and questions from Tory traditionalists such as John Redwood and Ken Clarke.
It does look as if we leave the EU it will eventually lead to the brakeup of the UK.
I'm still sitting on the fence (uncomfortably).

Still completely missing the point, Pantglas

My post was in response to one from Greta asking why the Southern European Countries are always used in comparison to UK.

There is an undercurrent of dissatisfaction in a lot of EU Countries, I never implied it would lead to the “break up of the EU” . Just pointing out that the EU Countries are not all so perfect, as those who voted to remain make out.

As a neutral in all this mess I was confirming that both Ireland and Wales had problems before entry into the Common Market and somehow you interpreted it as an attack on the EU! The word pedantic is frequently used pejoratively when people like to generalise, along with the word nitpicking- let’s not pretend you meant otherwise.

MsizieD I am not on Facebook or any “leaver sites” the only social media I participate in are GN and a “closed twitter account” (only open to people I allow)

All countries have internal disruptive activities (including the U.K.) which don’t mean that country is unstable or the internal activities are somehow the result of EU membership. Were the riots in the U.K. in 2011 caused by dissatisfaction with EU membership? It’s laughable. Are Germany, Denmark, Belgium, Finland, the Netherlands falling apart with instability? I’m sure they all have internal problems but there are parts of the world we could point to that really are far poorer and much more unstable.

You are also completely failing to get the point of my original comment to GG13, pantglas

I was quoting facts too and 'pedantic' isn't an insult..

I am interested to know where people on here are getting their information from?

I suspect they're getting them from the Brexit sites or facebook.. MamieWhy else would they think that some internal problems in a few member states means the end of the EU?

I find it quite interesting that people still think that the Gilets Jaunes movement is a big thing. There have been a few events in Paris and Toulouse, but it is nothing like it was. I was discussing it with the (French) U3A group that I teach here in France and we were discussing how it had all gone quiet after they went off on holiday in July and August. I watch the French news and follow French sources on Twitter so I am interested to know where people on here are getting their information from?
.Very few gilets on dashboards now, I haven't seen one in ages.

Why am I stating facts deemed pedantic and you’re not? Let’s play nicely.....and fairly - I didn’t call you and your need to do so speaks volumes.

Well, if you really want to be pedantic the Irish troubles started at least way back in the 17th C when Cromwell did a bit of 'pacifying' of the natives.

Oh, and my grandfather was stationed in Dublin during the Black and Tan uprisings in the early 1920s. So what?

This does not alter the fact that from the date of the UK's entry into the then EEC until 1998 there was civil war in NI (and in mainland Britain). Which had no effect on the equilibrium of the EU.

My husband was stationed in Lisburn in 1970 which was before Common Market and bombs by Welsh Nationalists were set off before prince of Wales investiture- again pre talk of joining Europe.

Oh dear. Let's hope we don't have any US baby foods included in a trade deal with them

95% of tested baby foods in the US contain toxic metals, report says

edition.cnn.com/2019/10/17/health/baby-foods-arsenic-lead-toxic-metals-wellness/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_medium=social&utm_term=link&utm_content=2019-10-26T06%3A40%3A04

Bloody Sunday, the real kickstarter for the Troubles, was in 1972, the Good Friday Agreement signed 1998, so yes, it was happening during our membership of the EU.

Welsh Nationalism in the 60s? Look at the date on this news report:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ethnic-cleansing-the-welsh-way-a-militant-nationalist-group-has-given-19-english-families-an-1471584.html

Some strange manipulation of history going on here...

The civil war in Northern Ireland began in the late sixties early seventies before we joined the Common Market and Welsh Nationalism was a sixties thing also pre Europe entry.

There is a lot you can say about "elsewhere" but that does not answer the question ‘how will your life be better by leaving given that you know there are costs from doing so?" I just cannot work out what the leave voters answer is to that.

So do you see any of the EU states declaring war on each in the next year or so?

And I pointed out that internal problems of states are nothing to do with the EU; that we managed to be a member without upsetting the equilibrium of the EU while we had a 30 year civil war raging.

If you think that these states' problems presage the break up of the EU I think you are clutching at straws.

MaizieD your last paragraph “MSM reports very little news from around the world”
Last time I looked, Hong Kong, Syria, America, Venezuela, Africa, India & Pakistan are part of “The rest of the world” and are widely reported on!

As for the relevance to Brexit, I was pointing out what is blatantly obvious to a lot of the UK that the EU States are getting increasingly restless and not as unified and happy as those who voted remain would like us all to believe.

MaizieD Surely they should be reported as they are all part of the “wonderful EU”.

I am completely failing to see your reasoning here, GG13. The problems in those states have nothing at all to do with Brexit or with the EU. Why are you even bothering to mention it?

If you have a problem with the MSM's failure to report everything going on in the world around us perhaps you should start another thread about it.

Or would you like to address the points I made?

The far right does not speak for me, I find Katie Hopkins et al contemptible