For brexiters only please.

What would you have chatted about?

How nice it would have been for leavers to have a thread where they could chat without all the aggressive attacks from remainers.

The way the UK government is behaving, I'd put my trust in the EU any day.

Opal, in regard to your post @22:07 today, you state that the EU will look after the EU.

Britain has been part of the EU for many years, therefore in your own words the European Union has looked after Britain being one of its member states.

Therefore, Opal, I find your view perfectly correct as Europe has had no major wars since it's formation and Britain grew to be the worlds fifth-largest economy while within the European Union.

A wonderfull organization.

I find it incredulous that crystaltipps doesn't seem to trust our Government, but is willing to place full trust in the EU and its cronies. Who is more likely to put the UK first? A UK Government or the EU? The EU will look after the EU, first and foremost, and if you doubt that, then you really are in gagaland.

What does anyone know about the fact that the 'UK gives up £7bn EU bank windfall' article in The Times? It won't let me print it in full.

Must be so trusting in our benevolent government that they are going to be putting all that money into public services and not, say, tax cuts for the rich, or buying votes from bigoted politicians.. Of course this is forgetting all that money given to the EU is paying for loads of trading and legal services which we now see are going to gobble up most of that extra money and more anyway.

Joelsnan and Opal excellent posts refuting all the bullet points posted about EU ( and all the wonderful things (!) it does for us.)Mostly, with our own money.

The arrogance of theBrexit supporter is staggering. Most Remainers realise thatBrexit supporters are only interested in their own bigoted opinions and EU hatred through blinkered eyes. Best to let them carry on ranting and doing everything they can to damage the future for their grandchildren. Everything they dream up is incontrovertible fact and everyone else is half baked. They live in lalaland. I dread to think what the teachers amongst them were brainwashing our young with. Murdering people who disagree with you seemed quite acceptable to them. Nothing they come up with surprises me now.'...did I misread this, then?

'Totally agree. The arrogance of the Remainers is staggering. Most Leavers realise that Remainers are only interested in their own bigoted opinions and EU worshipping through blinkered eyes. Best to let them carry on ranting and doing everything they can to damage the future for their grandchildren. Everything they dream up is incontrovertible fact and everyone else is half baked. They live in lalaland. I dread to think what the teachers amongst them were brainwashing our young with. We moved out of London when our DD2 was told to write an essay on burning Mrs Thatcher on a bonfire. Murdering people who disagree with you seemed quite acceptable to them. Nothing they come up with surprises me now.'...did I misread this, then?

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Dinahmo
1. Before joining the EEC we were known as the poor man of Europe
- Really? Where is your proof of this?

2. Before the referendum in 2016 we were one of the wealthiest nations in the EU
We still are!

3. Peace within the E~U for 75 years - longest period of peace in 2000 years
Think you'll find that's down to NATO, not the EU.

4. Non tariff trade barriers
What's to stop us negotiating new trade deals with the rest of the world once we leave the EU? We are one of the global market economies.

5. Free movement of labour - the very thing that we DON'T WANT. We need immigration, yes, but it MUST be controlled and it must be to provide the skills we need.
Controlled immigration also allows both national and local Government the opportunity to properly plan services and infrastructure, e.g. housing, education, etc. How can we ever properly plan and manage the national infrastructure when we have no idea who is coming into the country and for how long? We need precise controlled targeted immigration.

7. Access to the single market has helped investment into the UK from outside the EU
Investment into the UK post-Brexit will continue, the ROW want our goods, services, and expertise.

8. The UK's net contribution to the EU budget is £7.3bn (0.4% of GDP).
Precisely - there is a net contribution! We are supporting less successful European economies, and I don't understand why!

9. Common Arrest Warrant
It's in everyone's best interests to continue to co-operate regarding sharing of information and support for purposes of national security and crime-fighting. We will continue to do so.

10. Minimum guaranteed maternity leave of 14 weeks for pregnant women and 18 weeks of parental leave after the baby is born
This will continue! Why do you think that just because we leave the EU, we will lose all of our employment legislation and we will become f***g slave traders??? Jeez.

11. Introduction of pet passports
Most countries allow transport of pets providing they meet the required veterinary standards
Why wouldn't this continue? And if it doesn't, then we'll re-negotiate another agreement to transport pets. Hardly a good enough reason to postpone Brexit, surely?

12. Cheaper air travel due to EU competition laws
The USA has cheap air travel - and they are not in the EU!

13. Over 45 million people travelled to Europe on holiday in 2018
Why would this stop? We will still be able to travel!

14. Funding for the British film industry, theatre, music, dance and sports. Grants for these, with the possible exception of sport as the govt sees that as a way to keep the population healthy, has been drastically cut over the last 10 years.
Hmm, how about we re-direct some of our NET ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION to the EU towards this funding????? There'd still be some left over .

15. Pooling of resources and intelligence.
See my answer to point 9 above. This would continue. We share information and intelligence with the rest of the world, not just the EU.

Yet more scaremongering from Remainers, it really is farcical.

You can’t claim Jo Cox’ murder not Brexit related. It was the height of the campaign, Farage was making the most of refugee stories, the guy shouted “ Britain First”. You can’t claim to fully know his motives to pick that particular time, as he wasn’t allowed to speak at his trial.

Labiak
I do not understand your post.
Joe Cox was murdered because the local white population were complaining that she was very biased towards the high Pakistani population. One educationally challenged loner type guy thought he was doing the community a favour.
How is this Brexit related?
Gina Miller along with millions of others has had the threats of murder How many time have you witnessed a heated argument when one or both say ‘I’ll f’ing kill you’ either in real life, TV or film? Some if the nicest TV celebs get threats for no good reason. Oh, and poor Jill Dando, was her murder Brexit related?
Somewhat strange train of thought.

The Archbishop of Canterbury has accused Boris Johnson and other politicians of pouring petrol on a “very polarised and volatile situation” around Brexit.

Justin Welby issued a warning to MPs on all sides that it was “extraordinarily dangerous to use careless comments” amid high tensions that have been linked to a rise in hate crime.

He told The Sunday Times he had been shocked by the prime minister’s dismissal of an appeal to moderate his language by a Labour MP as “humbug”.

“Death threats are really serious and they need to be taken seriously,” Archbishop Welby said.

“In a time of deep uncertainty, a much smaller amount of petrol is a much more dangerous thing than it was in a time when people were secure. There is a great danger to doing it when we’re already in a very polarised and volatile situation.”
Discussing September's heated House of Commons debate in Mr Johnson was heavily criticised for his comments, Archbishop Welby said a “great deal of really difficult things” were also said by MPs from other parties.

He added: “I think we have become addicted to an abusive and binary approach to political decisions: ‘It’s either this or you’re my total enemy’.

“There have been inflammatory words used on all sides, in parliament and outside - ‘traitor’, ‘fascist’, all kinds of really bad things have been said at the highest level in politics.”

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-boris-johnson-language-hate-crime-violence-archbishop-welby-a9173181.html

'Murdering people who disagree with you seemed quite acceptable to them'. Apologies; did intend to not post on this thread but had to point out that Jo Cox was murdered and Gina Miller is constantly having death threats...

I’ve often wondered who picked the fruit and veg before we joined Common Market? Surely it wasn’t all going to waste as remainers suggest will happen after Brexit?

Dinahmo
1. Before joining the EEC we were known as the poor man of Europe
Sorry, generalisation

2. Before the referendum in 2016 we were one of the wealthiest nations in the EU
Sorry, generalisation

3. Peace within the E~U for 75 years - longest period of peace in 2000 years
Not because of EU, but NATO. Most non EU countries have remained peaceful

4. Non tariff trade barriers
Has meant that our exports within EU have become progressively non competitive and because of same tariffs, the EU countries who have poorer employment benefits can offer their goods cheaper in the world markets (unfair advantage).

5. Free movement of labour - plugs skills gaps - doctors, vets, plumbers
Has depressed wages for the low and unskilled, also has led to the introduction of zero hour and gig contracts Brit workers always under the threat of being replaced by a cheaper EU citizens. Our non academic children have lost the right to good apprenticeships as trained plumbers etc. can come freely from Poland and get to work straight away. Shame on those who think it is acceptable to have destined many of our children to unskilled warehouse jobs on zero hours because they can get a plumber. BTW many of the new build houses that have used mainly non Brit staff are known for their extreme poor quality...Persimmon et al. We did not have shortages of nurses drs etc before the mass influx of free movers.

6. Free movement of labour provides unskilled workers to fill the jobs that Britons don't want - seasonal agricultural work for example
Repeat of no 6

7. Access to the single market has helped investment into the UK from outside the EU
What sort of investment?

8. The UK's net contribution to the EU budget is £7.3bn (0.4% of GDP). It's also less than 1/8 of our defence spending
What is the Gross contribution?
As one of the largest recipients of EU labour, how much is being remitted in benefits (child benefit etc)

9. Common Arrest Warrant
Although EU has the EU arrest warrant this is not unique and most countries are signed up to the International arrest warrant (Red notice).

10. Minimum guaranteed maternity leave of 14 weeks for pregnant women and 18 weeks of parental leave after the baby is born
Uk has more generous maternity and paternity leave than EU requirement. This is not determined by EU.

11. Introduction of pet passports
Most countries allow transport of pets providing they meet the required veterinary standards

12. Cheaper air travel due to EU competition laws
Can you provide evidence. I think you will find it is down to airlines and not EU

13. Over 45 million people travelled to Europe on holiday in 2018
Generalisation. How many travelled to ROW?

14. Funding for the British film industry, theatre, music, dance and sports. Grants for these, with the possible exception of sport as the govt sees that as a way to keep the population healthy, has been drastically cut over the last 10 years.
The EU has been reducing grants to UK as it redirects funds to apparently more needy (more profitable) EU countries. Any EU grants given to UK arts etc. are just UK tax remittances being paid back, wrapped in an EU flag. You and I paid for every grant, not EU.

15. Pooling of resources and intelligence.
Generalisation. We have always pooled resources and intelligence. If we had not we would not have known about Marie Curie, Rontgen, Einstein, Michaelangelo etc. All before the EU

Is aprilrose still on here with us? I know she works so probably doesn’t have as much free time as some of us who post.

More Brexit thoughts:

Labour demanded that Parliament be brought back, but frittered away those extra days after moaning about prorogation!

It demanded that “no deal” be closed off as an option, but refused to back a deal.

It demanded a meaningful vote, but ducked that vote when the moment came!

It demanded more time to debate the legislation, but ran out of speakers on the first day of the debate.
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At every stage, Labour assumed that voters would be too dim to see through its tricks. Its entire strategy was based around forcing Boris Johnson to miss the Oct 31 Brexit deadline, so as to be able to point at him and shout “Hah!”

That strategy now lies in tatters. Voters are not so gullible as to blame the delay on the politicians who tried to deliver Brexit. They are instead blaming the politicians who actually caused the delay.

Wow petra!! France will be gutted.

Anyone else thought as I did about the rugby today - in that if Wales had gotten through to the final, England AND Wales?

#goBrexitrugby

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Can we shed a little tear for Macron. France came 8th in the world cheese making championships ?

The USA came top and a wonderful Cheddar came 4th.

I think its economic migrants and they work ‘cash in hand’ knowing their safety net is the A&E walk in. If what they have ‘at home’ is dire then even our less-than life here must seem wonderful.

I have no qualms whatsoever about immigrants coming here - we need them and they are very welcome - providing they come LEGALLY. A if difference! That way our councils can make proper provision for necessary services - school placements, a doctors surgery etc.

Regards Brexit in general - right now what a dog’s dinner!

Note to all opposition politicians: nobody in the real world now believes (if, indeed they ever did) your excuses about fearing a “no-deal” exit, or needing more time to scrutinise a Withdrawal Agreement most of which has already been, in its earlier incarnation, scrutinised to exhaustion.

We, the people are not fooled.

Urmstongran, GrannyGravy, and newnanny, I think all of you are right, it’s probably all those factors put together that makes the UK so attractive. Plus I feel, the opportunity to become legal and then get their families in, plus housing, health care and for some generous benefits. Having said that, I don’t think that benefits are the main pull factor, plus they have to be legal before they can claim benefits. However, if illegal and claiming asylum they will be housed, fed, and receive a small weekly allowance (I think it’s about £35 a week) until their claim is processed. If they choose to work illegally then the benefits isn’t (shouldn’t) be a factor, though I have heard of illegals claiming and receiving housing benefit.

newnanny very true!