Will the fat lady sing?

Johnson is still refusing to bring back the Brexit legislation unless MPs agree to a GE.

He is using puerile language to describe the oppositions refusal to agree to a GE, trying to place himself on the side of “the people” v. Parliament.

Well he isn’t on my side, even if I agreed his Brexit stance and put that to one side, his politics alarm me, and his vision of a low tax, low regulatory economy is not what I want under any circumstances.

If we have a GE it won’t be about just brexit but about our future welfare and economy and nothing he offers can either be believed or trusted.

The plans to take over parliamentary business is being discussed with EU officials to see if they will be determined sufficiently serious enough for Brussels to consider an extension is necessary to break the Brexit deadlock.

MPs are considering taking over the business of the House and continuing to debate and vote on Brexit legislation and a confirmatory referendum.

Seems a sensible and adult way forward.

The way to treat toddlers who can’t get their own way and refuse to move is to ignore them.

MPs will use a procedure known as standing order 24 to take control of the house, which at the moment is being blocked by Johnson to do any business.
It is then planned to either debate Mays withdrawal agreement or the more unpopular Johnson’s agreement, with possible votes to attach a CU, a confirmatory referendum and a longer extension, to prevent a crash out.

Ha ha granddad1943 my Scottish friends tell me never to dilute God’s nectar! We’ll agree to differ and here’s hoping England beat the all blacks

Spot-on, janipat.

How on earth will a GE solve the Brexit dilemma? Surely there can't be a single soul who believes that Brexit is determined by party lines? There will be Conservative and Labour supporters on both sides of the divide. Brexit is a totally separate entity that has to be dealt with as a single issue. Johnson's attempt to make it a GE issue is manipulation of the worst kind, although totally in keeping with someone of his cynical and moral bankruptcy.

Pantglas2 in regard to your post @22:36 today,

?... Try mixing more some water with it.

GrannyGravy13 in regard to your post @22:22 today, I accept that other industries have high volume points at various times of the year.

However, Christmas is the largest spending volume period of the year throughout the United Kingdom with a huge percentage of that volume spent in retail. The Transport industry is at the very heart of the supply chain to that industry. Therefore the pressure of long hours of working and stress is applied to all who work in distribution if we as consumers are to obtain all we require during the Christmas period.

Therefore GrannyGravy13, with such long hours having to be worked by all who are employed in transport/distribution, do you really believe that those workers are going to be interested in polling in any election when all they wish to do in the small amount of time they have off during that Christmas period is "Get Some Rest"

As stated up thread, there is a real world out there.

As the likelihood of a GE on 12 December is just about nil it's really not worth bickering about postal voting lorry drivers or which workers have the most to do at varying times of year.

Ha ha granddad1943 - just WhatsApp my cousins group your derogatory comments on your fellow HGV drivers and one has replied with ‘he must be the token wanker - tell him I’ve been doing the postal voting since 2005’.

Different Industries have varying months/weeks of high volume of business/work hours. August/September is difficult for traditional arable farmers, March/April problematic for livestock farms, June, July, August difficult for those who work in tourism. Then you have NHS /carers who work long and antisocial hours 12 months a year.

Grandad1943 Your anti December Election rhetoric doesn't add up......... a bit like JCs escuses.

First - thanks G'dad for those very relevant and significant examples of real people and their EU involvement.
Second - does anyone understand the posts from peonyrose ? I can't make head nor tail of them. If that's meant to further the brexit cause then someone needs to have a word with her!!

Pantglas2 Quote[ Wow granddad1943 that’s a snobbish comment in your last sentence to me! Are you suggesting that HGV drivers can’t be perceptive and forward thinking?] End Quote.

Pantglas2, when i was an HGV driver I reserved my forward-thinking to the road that was before my thirty two-ton vehicle.

However, i can well imagine how obtaining postal voting rights could well be the prime topic of conversation whenever you meet with your two HGV driver cousins.

Wow granddad1943 that’s a snobbish comment in your last sentence to me! Are you suggesting that HGV drivers can’t be perceptive and forward thinking?

For the record it’s four cousins who live in Surrey- the two registered are both strong Labour supporters and wouldn’t dream of missing a vote. The other two totally uninterested in politics and consequently take their chances on whether they’re in the country when it happens. I’m not sure how they vote but I suspect one is a closet Tory!

There’s a reason why postal voting is possible.....

maddyone Quote [Just because you think something doesn’t make it correct. Women are allowed opinions too.] End Quote.

maddyone, please inform me where in my above posts (or any post i have made) where i have stated that women are not allowed opinions?

I await your response in the above.

GrannyGravy13 Quote [Grandad1943 there are many more industries/occupations than transportation.] End Quote.

GrannyGravy13, yes there are many other industries than Transport and many that involve direct services to the public are also under severe pressure throughout the period of Christmas.

However, road transport and distribution is the industry i have knowledge of and have spoken on in regard to this rediculas mid December General Election proposal.

That stated no doubt other industries such as the hospitality, event and entertainment industry are under equal pressure and i am sure all employed and involved with them are also "welcoming" the thought of polling while working very long hours in stressful conditions.

It has been stated on one of the Transport forums this evening that Johnson may be thinking that such industry employees will in all probability not vote in this General Election due to time pressure and that would benefit the Tory Party at the polls being many are manual workers.

It true, how sick can Johnson get.

Just because you think something doesn’t make it correct. Women are allowed opinions too.

Grandad, not everyone agrees with you, they’re allowed a different opinion.

Grandad1943 there are many more industries/occupations than transportation.

lemongrove I expect some are worried that they might miss their works Christmas drinks/parties??

I just find it really hypocritical that JC has been calling for an election...........since the last election..............but finds any excuse not to vote for an election!!!!!

lemongrove in regard to.your post @20:26, It is obvious you have never been employed or involved with the transport industry on a Christmas time or you would not state what you have.

I have been associated with that industry all my working life. In the period from the mid-1960s until the mid 1980s i worked as an HGV driver.

Throughout December even in those times when Christmas was not nearly as large commercially as it is now twelve to fifteen hour days were very much the normal practice.

The situation is no different today for drivers and all who work in the distribution centres, with mid-December (around the tenth to the twentieth) being the very peak of output for those centres.

So, do you really believe Lemongrove that those people employed in that industry and other industries under severe pressure at Christmas are really going to be interested in polling stations and voting while working those hours under very heavy stress?

There is a real world out there Lemongrove.

It’s the 12th Dec though, not Christmas, and I think that anyone who always votes will manage to go and vote even if working during the day.I used to go in the evenings when working.If anyone doubts they can actually get there they can apply for a postal vote.
Where there’s a will, there’s a way.

In addition to the problem of people working extra hours in the run-up to Christmas and possibly finding it difficult to vote is the fact that many schools are used as polling stations. Parents could find it difficult to take a day off work in December.
Not everyone has a nanny or a helpful grandparent who can look after the children at short notice.

Yes varian, so much for taking back control. Santa's gift to Britain a Chrismas General Election.....perhaps

If somone had written a book prior to all this starting on how the Tory party would be so incompetent throughout this whole Brexit saga, critics would have said it was "over the top" even for fiction.

We must hope that the EU 27 give us an extension till April or even June so that voters do not have to go to the polling station on a dark winter's night.

Pantglas2 why would any working person register for a postal vote for a winter Christmas election that "no one" would have ever expected to be called.

Although, with Boris the self-centred Buffoon as Prime Minister of Britain I suppose we should as a population expect anything.

No doubt Pantglas2 your "two cousins" are extraordinary HGV drivers in there perceived forward-thinking wisdom.