Will the fat lady sing?

Grandad1943 no I agree with Pantglas2.

Well, GrannyGravy13 perhaps you can then appreciate that holding a General Election in mid-December is very different for many people to holding that election in May, to which you compared the December date to in your post @17:20 today.

I have cousins who are long distance HGV drivers granddad1943 and some of them have been registered postal voters since it became available. The ones who aren’t registered generally aren’t bothered whether they get to vote or not!

I also have a friend with mobility problems who is registered for that reason also - I suspect if you feel strongly you’ll find a way.

Grandad1943 Our business involves delivering to London and the South East 6 days a week, with multiple vehicles.

I think I appreciate the pressure businesses are under at that time to of year (or any time).

GrannyGravy13, in regard to your above post, I would state "it's Christmas", people in the transport industry work very long unsocial hours, so people such as us will have all we desire to have throughout the largest spending period of the year.

It's as simple as that, and I very much hope you can appreciate those persons and the lack of free time they have during that period.

I most certainly do.

Pantglas2, those that use postal voting are in the main people with pre planned holidays or these with mobility problems etc.

The above workers which I sited in my above post are those which would normally attend a polling station on their way to or from their workplaces and would not even think on postal voting.

It is also being stated in the media that due to the very short run-up time to this election the polling cards may not arrive at many of the electorates homes until a week or so before polling day.

Let's face it, should this Election actually take place, the planning is just another Tory inconsiderate debacle already.

No different to having elections in May when many people who do not have school age children are on holiday.

Postal votes are easily available (too easy in my opinion)

Given those restrictions on their leisure time wouldn’t they already be down as postal voters?

In regard to holding the General Election on the 12th of December, it would seem that those proposing this date have given no thought whatsoever to those people who are working at the peak of their output production at that time of year. The foregoing are persons working in the retail, food, bulk transport, home delivery services and their associated distribution centres.

Almost all employed in the above supply industries are expected to work extra hours in the run-up Christmas with even HGV drivers working up to fifteen hours per day on very unsocial start and finish shift times. Similar always applies in the distribution centres that support those drivers and it is thought that well over five million people are employed in the bulk transport and home delivery logistics industries.

Of course, Johnson and his cronies in making the decision for the ballot to be held on the 12th of December in their sense of entitlement, would not of even have considered such persons as the above. However, those persons are going to be expected to "turn out" at the conclusion of those long hours in what may well be poor weather conditions and queue up with all others to cast their vote,

Johnson though will doubtless get up at some very reasonable time in the morning and after a very sufficient breakfast (judging by his size of late), attend the polling station to great publicity.

As stated no thought has been given to the above working persons, and none will be given.

What a load of sh*t this man and those that surround him are.

Dinahmo Fri 25-Oct-19 11:48:17 I might have agreed with you a few years ago but I am no longer happy with the way we are run! It is an utter shambles.

lemongrove Fri 25-Oct-19 12:00:39 I disagree, I don't think 'anything is better' I think we need a single issue vote, if only to stop the two main parties from out bribing each other.

Joelsnan Fri 25-Oct-19 10:25:52 if you have 'answered concisely' and it was relevant I haven't seen it. But then I have only been asking this question for a couple of weeks so it seems unlikely that you did it 'a few months ago'. Perhaps you would be kind enough to supply a link or repeat it? I am happy for you to convince me to change my mind, I would love to understand a leaver'v viewpoint, who knows it might be better than mine.

I believe a GE is the only way to halt the paralysis in Parliament.....I don’t think Labour can win, but even if they did, anything is better than this total stalemate where nothing is done on any subject, not just Brexit, it’s hurting the UK.

Oh yes, Sturgeon loves it, it takes the heat off the SNP and the way they are messing up (all by themselves in Scotland), and helps ramp up the rhetoric towards another Indie ref.

Peonyrose "People would give anything to have our system of government..........."

We have had the same system of government for decades, long before we joined the EEC and yet Leavers wanted to take back control and get back our sovereignty. Leavers are the ones who want change, not the Remainers. We're generally quite happy with the way the country is run.

Farnorth I know Sturgeon is not part of the UK Parliament, but she is revelling in the mess it is in!!

Grannygravy
"Sturgeon" is not in the UK parliament.

Whirewave answered peonyrose politely, why couldn’t you amagram?

Anagram, yet another remainer rude comment to peonyrose, this is what leavers have been subjected to ever since the referendum.
Peonyrose knows exactly what she’s talking about! Don’t be so rude.

Nonnie
As mentioned earlier in this thread, which you have appeared to have forgotten. My response was that I had answered you concisely and this was a few months ago. You have obviously forgotten that too.
As this appears a trend may I suggest you stop repeating a question already answered.
Thanks

Peonyrose Fri 25-Oct-19 05:25:42 Why are you so keen to leave? Can you tell me three ways you and your family would be better off if we leave the EU? Thanks

SJ said on TV 2 days ago that the budget would go through anyway, now it is pulled!

If they want a GE they can have one simply by making a promise that no deal won't happen. They are tweeting that it is Lab which is stopping a GE as if we didn't understand who is responsible. I don't understand why so many are fooled by the shenanigans. Are we really a nation of people who only read headlines?

GrannyGravy13, in response to your post @09:45 today, Johnson pulling the Budget Bill and debate out of the parliamentary process next week can in no way be linked to Brexit.

The above action is purely because Johnson is upset he cannot get his way, so has decided to take that out on all who reside in the United Kingdom. ?

Joelsnan Thu 24-Oct-19 14:04:48 in answer:

1 Yes, it is a question but it is abundantly clear that the markets think it is bad for the UK. It is indisputable that the £ has dropped 20% as a direct result of the referendum. Many well qualified opinions, including the government, predict the economy will lose out.

I won't go on the leavers thread because I am not a leaver.

Thank you for answering in a polite and logical way, despite me disagreeing. It is refreshing.

Please be the first to answer my question: please tell me three ways you and your family will be better off if we leave the EU. Thanks

2 That is the point I was making. We will be OK but my concern is not selfish, it is for those who are not so fortunate. Please don't misinterpret me in an otherwise reasonable response. You are mistaken about the salaries and working conditions in the rest of the EU. In Germany workers have greater power than our unions. I've forgotten what the organisations are called. It is much harder to close a factory in some EU countries than it is here. I have experience of that. In the recent list of the top ten countries for good pensions UK was not on the list, Holland came top, I think they get about 80% of earnings. In some EU countries if you are unemployed you get a percentage of your salary as unemployment pay for quite a substantial time. Some EU countries use English in business but if anyone really want to go they can learn the language. I know this from someone who has lived in France (also French speaking Switzerland), Germany and Holland who learned 2 of the languages fluently but decided they didn't want to stay in the other.

People come here for work for a variety of reasons and I do not agree they are taking unskilled jobs from us. Only last night on the news I saw that apples were being left to rot because there was no one to pick them. When I was at school I would do seasonal jobs in the holiday but, presumably no one wants to pick apples in half term. Also EU nationals pay more into the UK than they take out, I think this is because many of them are young and only here for a short time.

3 see point 2 above. Surely you can see that we don't have the same buying power as we do in a much larger group? Whatever you think about the UK as a trading partner, we don't have the same negotiating power. We have to contend with America First and Canada has already said it will wait to start negotiations because we will be in a worse position after Brexit.

Not against the government Grandad, but against all opposition parties who are holding parliament and the UK to ransom as they are afraid of losing seats in a GE.

Corbyn, Swinsom, Sturgeon et al are enjoying every minute of this, utterly disgraceful on their behalf.

It is being stated on the media that if the Budget does not get put through parliament next week ,or soon afterwards, that those who receive state pensions and others may not receive their inflation-linked increases in April next year.

Now, that should turn very many older persons against Johnson and his "strop"

Oh and Budget scheduled for 6 November has been cancelled.

Johnson is really in a strop isn’t he?