Will the fat lady sing?

lemongrove Quote [ I think the LP will want to do as you suggest Grandad as they know Corbyn will be a losing ticket for them]End Quote.

Well Jeremy Corbyn may prove to be a winning or losing ticket for Labour at the next General Election, should he still be leader as nobody can be sure in any of the above.

However, one thing is sure, Corbyn proved to be a losing ticket for the Tory Party at the last Geneal Election, he caused them to lose their overall majority in the House of Commons.

The above was achieved on the back of going into that Election Campaign with a 24 point deficit in the opinion polls. ?

I think the LP will want to do as you suggest Grandad as they know Corbyn will be a losing ticket for them, however Corbyn himself may be keen to have another go at trying to become PM and could prove stubborn about giving way.

There is nothing even vaguely 'communist' about the Labour manifesto, maddyone, it's not even as radical as the postwar Labour policies and many continental countries regard it as being quite conservative.

It would be helpful if you could clarify just what is 'communist' about Labour policy.

If you want to believe that will lead to a Labour government Grandad, carry on. Perhaps you believe in fairies too.

maddyone, whatever any poll may state such is the diversity of opinion in this country at present that gauging how anyone will be thinking and voting at the next election is almost impossible.

Many do not expect any election to be held now until well into the new year, and possibly even towards the end of next year, as the opposition parties in the House of Commons will wish to ensure that Britain leaving the EU with no deal is most definitely not possible.

Jeremy Corbyn has stated that due to his age he does not wish to lead the Labour party into the next scheduled General Election, therefore it may well be that in the new year eight weeks could be taken up in organising a leadership ballot throughout the Labour Party and the wider affiliated Labour movement. So, no election will be granted to Johnson while that takes place however much he may Huff & Puff.

Unless of course, Johnson wishes to place a vote of no confidence in himself, not a good idea for obvious reasons.

However, from reading a number of your comments I know you don’t like any disagreement. But no one can argue black is white, the figures speak for themselves!

The point is Grandad, that only Labour voters were polled. Doesn’t sound good does it?

Nonnie
1 Our GDP according to official figures is likely to be 6% if we leave which is an average cost to each of us of £2000.

The big question in the short term if we left without a deal is what happens to business and consumer confidence – Keynes’ famous “animal spirits.” Pre-referendum forecasts assumed that a Leave vote would mean a big and lasting hit, depressing consumer spending and business investment. In fact, when it became clear nothing much would change in the short term, confidence quickly recovered. If Brexit – indeed, the hardest possible Brexit – becomes a reality, will this time be different?

That is likely to depend on just how severe the immediate disruption to trade is, but also on political developments and public perceptions. There are no economists, or anyone else, who can reliably forecast these. (Independent 3/09/19)

2 My grandchildren will lost the right to live and work in the EU, an opportunity which some of my friends have taken and are happy with.

A bit of a middle class I’m alright Jack attitude don't you think? Especially when the vast majority of the population would never travel to work or live abroad. How many can speak the languages of any of the 27 nations to be able to secure work. Also salaries, employment terms and conditions are lower than here in the UK. Why do you think so many come here to work? this leaving our lower skilled children having to compete in an unfair work marketplace. Anyway Brits with the necessary skills, language and money have always lived and worked on the continent and indeed worldwide. A Berlin type wall will not be built in the channel.

3 Our buying/negotiating power will be greatly reduced as we will be in the position of the corner shop trying to get the same terms as Tesco.

Our ability to buy and sell at terms favourable to Uk enable UK to shop for the best deals worldwide. We may be a small island, but have one of the largest populations within the EU. Currently we have to trade on terms that are applicable to all the nations across the EU making some of our goods uncompetitive. This is mainly as a result of our more beneficial employment terms and conditions. Our sales into the EU have declined quite considerably over the last few years and this is forecast to continue. We need to ramp up trading worldwide to make up for the widening shortfall with the EU.

I have provided links to supporting data on the Leavers thread if you care to peruse.

maddyone, in regard to your post @12:45 today, you state that Jeremy Corbyn is minus seventeen points in the most recent opinion polls.

However, Corbyn and the Labour Party went into the 2017 General Election campaign minus twenty four points in those same opinion polls, and we all know that election turned out for Labour and the Tories.

However, that is something the Conservatives do not wish to speak on these days.

Theresa May went from hero to zero in one night. ?

......heard Andrew Neil......

No Grandad, I’m not a fascist.
Don’t like anyone disagreeing with you do you?
I’ve just Andrew Neil say on BBC that Corbyn is polling at minus 17% by LABOUR voters. Given that as background, I can only assume that anyone who thinks for one jot that we are looking at a Corbyn led government, that person must be a communist or believe in unicorns. Sorry I rattled your cage Grandad.

maddyone Quote [Are you a communist Grandad? Just asking because Corbyn and crew are generally regarded as being extremely left wing, in fact more or less communist. Certainly far more to the left than Tony Blair’s] End Quote.

Are you a Fascist maddyone? Just asking because Johnson and his ERG group cronies are far more hard right wing than Ted Heath ever was. In fact, many view them as neo-Fascist in their views and actions.

I also post this as a response to your rediculas quoted post above. ?

NfkDumpling Wed 23-Oct-19 17:26:46 our circumstances may or may not be different but your reasons may well convince me. Please try.

I believe that we will all be worse off than we are now but I will cope, I am not poor and do not need a job. My concern is for those not so fortunate. I have in fact made money from our American shares because the £ has dropped so much so 'I'm all right Jack' but I would much rather see my country profit than me.

lemongrove Wed 23-Oct-19 19:28:27 and "I haven’t the faintest notion what you are burbling on about." Perhaps you should read my post before deciding what it said? It was one answer to two people.

I can't remember which of you said I 'belittled' but it would interesting if one of you could show me where you 'found' that suggestion?

Joelsnan Wed 23-Oct-19 17:14:0 I am happy to. Just three for now as that is what I have asked you for:

1 Our GDP according to official figures is likely to be 6% if we leave which is an average cost to each of us of £2000.

2 My grandchildren will lost the right to live and work in the EU, an opportunity which some of my friends have taken and are happy with.

3 Our buying/negotiating power will be greatly reduced as we will be in the position of the corner shop trying to get the same terms as Tesco.

Over to you.

Are you a communist Grandad? Just asking because Corbyn and crew are generally regarded as being extremely left wing, in fact more or less communist. Certainly far more to the left than Tony Blair’s government was. That is why Corbyn is doing so poorly in the polls. Under Corbyn there is absolutely no chance of a Labour government, change the leader and it’s all up for grabs.
I fully expect you to answer that Corbyn is the best thing since sliced bread, but the majority of the population don’t agree with you.

lemongrove in regard to your post @09:24 today, Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the opposition is the only person in Parliament who has the power to call a vote of no confidence in this excuse for a government. That Corbyn can do at any time of his and the Labour Parties choosing.

Johnson can "huff & puff" all he wishes but he does not have the power to call an election prior to 2022 as exasperating as that may be to him and his cronies.

He is trapped by the fixed parliament act that the Tories brought into being. ?

Whitewavemark2, I can agree with much in your above post. However, only the Tories wish to have a Christmas General Election so going beyond that would find favour with the Electorate.

Also, Jeremy Corbyn has stated that he does not wish to lead the Labour Party into the next General Election due to his age. Therefore, following the new year, a ballot of the whole Labour movement could be organised to elect a leader to replace Corbyn. That will take a least eight weeks and during that period Jeremy Corbyn would remain as leader of the opposition in the House of Commons.

With that time taken up, it will then be running into spring and the new leader would the be able to pick the most opportune moment to bring Johnson and his cronies down, and that could be anytime until 2022.

The only downside I can see to the above would be Labour would not have Corbyn's great campaigning spirit at hand for that election

The smart move by Johnson is to press for an election as soon as possible.Once the EU have granted a short extension then Corbyn will have to agree to one, as he has promised they will do.

I agree full heartedly grandad but I’m not sure if that is what will happen.

The Tories have brought this entirely on themselves and unfortunately the country.

Let Brexit begin to show its ugly head as we attempt to negotiate trade deals.

The only problem is that the status quo will exist during transition, so the full effect won’t be felt until we fully leave.

Let the Tories "stew in their own juice" I feel. They have created this crisis from the start and they should now be made to suffer the public reaction when Brexit is finally passed and the consequences are there for all to see and feel.

2022 is the set date for the next General Election, therefore let the Tories struggle and Corbyn can then pick the most opportune moment between now and that date to bring this pathetic excuse for a government down and generate that election.

Great stuff I think. ??

Oh yes I forgot to post this

#DowningStreetSource

Has said that there will be no 31st October this year until they say it is the 31st October.

Well once again it seems that any extension given to us by the EU is going to be used to do anything but address the Brexit question.

Now Johnson has decided to try to go for an election before Christmas.

However, he has managed to split his cabinet over this. (Well there is a novelty)

Some rather sensibly want to try to get the deal through in time for the 31 January and others who are keen to go for an election.

Will the fat lady sing?

I was supposed to but my ride never turned up. But how on earth did you know?

jura you mean the fat lady?

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She isn’t fat is she?

Just a member of that very unpleasant far right group who has some very dubious members. I believe she has been in talks with the paramilitary loyalists lately, since she hasn’t been getting her way over Brexit.