Will the fat lady sing?

Labour are going to follow many Tory MPs and either vote against or abstain, - doesn’t matter which.

Moving on......
I hope Labour will follow the Lib Dems and SNP in backing a GE in Parliament next week.

Of course men can and do post on GN and there are a few of them around, mostly low key posters it has to be said, as they no doubt feel outnumbered, however it’s the style of posting that often puts other posters backs up.Lecturing posts, by either men or women are a bore.

There are times when I would take over Gabby's position as thread controller and say 'enough is enough, move on' but I know I can't Suspect the thread will close soon.

Must admit Maddyone granddad1943’s predictable long-winded response to a possible December election prompted my two line perfect solution (instituted by his beloved Labour Party I hasten to add).

Some people like to complicate life and some of us prefer to find solutions to complications thrust upon us by ALL politicians.

You tempt me to 'attack the person', maddy, but I won't...

Obviously the members of Grandad’s fan club will disagree with me, however lecturing and belittling women is a common sexist behaviour. This is what I have observed.

I don't know how many times on Gnet people have been told to 'play the ball, not the man' (though I think it would be more appropriate that 'man' should be changed to 'person' )

Grandad is perfectly entitled to post on here, using whatever style he likes. Please stop attacking him, maddy. If you have a response to his content, then respond. Pulling the 'sexist' card is just silly.

It might be seen as sexist Amagram, but unfortunately that is just the behaviour that I think he himself exhibits.

I could be wrong, maddyone, but I believe the name GRANSnet (as you name it) was chosen to be neutral and so inclusive of men as well as women.

We can argue with Grandad1943 about the content of his post if we wish, but not his right to post.

Given the number of patronising posts which appear on these forums, any criticism of Grandad on this front, might be seen as sexist.

nonnie

There is nothing beneficial about Brexit.

That is why leavers have such difficulty in replying

maddy

Your snipe at Grandad about GN couldn’t be more wrong.

Ask GNHQ

janipat Sat 26-Oct-19 00:30:47 well said

Whitew "The way to treat toddlers who can’t get their own way and refuse to move is to ignore them." that happens on here too Leavers treat me like that when they can't/won't answer my simple questions.

It’s not what you say Grandad, it’s what you choose to do, on GRANSnet. A site aimed at women, older women in fact (whilst obviously open to others) and whose members are regularly treated to lectures (word quote from another poster) because they are so unable to form their own opinions and need to be patronisingly ‘corrected.’ I’m calling you out on this behaviour!

Well I’m one of “the people” - Johnson doesn’t speak for me or millions of others.

How on earth will a GE solve the Brexit dilemma? Surely there can't be a single soul who believes that Brexit is determined by party lines? There will be Conservative and Labour supporters on both sides of the divide. Brexit is a totally separate entity that has to be dealt with as a single issue. Johnson's attempt to make it a GE issue is manipulation of the worst kind, although totally in keeping with someone of his cynical and moral bankruptcy.

THIS! well said Janipat! This is it exactly - manipulation of the worst kind, and I hope the opposition keep strong not to fall for it.

An initial critique of the WAB

ukconstitutionallaw.org/2019/10/24/adam-tucker-a-first-critical-look-at-the-scrutiny-of-delegated-legislation-in-the-withdrawal-agreement-bill/

lemons

I entirely disagree with your agreement with both Johnson and Corbyn over needing a GE..

For me the most democratic way forward is to get a Brexit deal in place, debate it, amend it as necessary then ask the voter if that is what they wanted when they voted.

Get that out of the way then we know for sure that a GE would genuinely reflect the voters political preferences.

lemons

If put to a vote in Parliament either May or Johnson.

May would win hands down.

Johnson’s is much more damaging to the economy long term.

We need a GE asap!

Cancelling the budget of course means that Javid economic forecast which would include Brexit assessment plan by the OBR won’t be published.

Cummings forced Javid to pull the budget after reading the perilous economic position we will be in after Johnson’s Brexit plan.

WWM2... you simply cannot say ( in your post about MP’s taking over business in Parliament) that the May deal is more popular than the Johnson deal.It isn’t true.
The May deal was roundly rejected three times, and the Johnson deal was voted for this week in principle with MP’s feeling they needed more time to look at it before a final vote.
Of course, many of them are trying even now to block Brexit but some will genuinely want more time to look at it.
Either way, the Johnson deal is more popular than the May deal.

Grandad43.....thanks for all the mansplaining, I would never have guessed that ‘there is a real world out there’ having lived in my mansion with Lord Lemongrove for fifty years.?

We now have postal votes and many busy people make use of it.I expect those who work in the transport industry won’t have time to pop out for a pint in the evenings either.

I await another lecture on the trials and tribulations of those in the haulage business.

From my MP

Peter Kyle MP
@peterkyle

First they shut down parliament for five weeks and summoned the queen to parliament because they had a programme for Britain that couldn’t wait. Then called an election 30 seconds after the vote was won.

Then they announce a budget and cancel it a week later.

What a shower

The view amongst many in Parliament is that No 10 is confused, floundering and totally out of control.