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Who is running this country?

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MawB Thu 24-Oct-19 07:42:41

If I can remember that far back, I seem to remember one of the objections to being in the EU was of being governed by the unelected bureaucrats of Brussels, or some such phrase.
How do we feel about the “unelected” of the U.K?
I do wonder who is in charge when I read things like this in this morning’s paper
Reports of Dominic Cummings angrily banging his fist on a table during a meeting between the Prime Minister and Jeremy Corbyn surfaced soon after the pair met yesterday in an attempt to reach a compromise over the Withdrawal Agreement Bill (WAB)
It was alleged that when Mr Johnson asked the Opposition leader how long it would take to agree a new timetable – after the programme motion calling for his Brexit deal to be passed in three days was voted down on Tuesday night – an irate Cummings interjected: “No!”

I believe it was Margaret Thatcher who said “Advisers advise, ministers decide” - presumable including Prime Ministers hmm

Davidhs Fri 25-Oct-19 12:57:07

The whole problem is parliament don’t trust the Tories they have been trying to push for no deal the whole time. Parliament have agreed in principle but want to debate the deal offered and they don’t think 2 days was enough.
Now Boris has come back and offered a GE “or else” or else what!

This IS about Brexit backers loosing a lot of money

Pantglas2 Fri 25-Oct-19 12:43:56

I’d like an election so that remainers and brexiters can put aside their red/blue/yellow bias for once and vote for whichever party promises to do what they want.

mcem Fri 25-Oct-19 12:42:38

Timing is crucial and if BJ can wangle it, he'll drag us out by default in the interim between the deadline and the election.
Latest move is that eu may grant an extension until 15 or 30 November.
How ironic! What a reaction there will be in Scotland if we're dragged out on St Andrew's Day!

Fennel Fri 25-Oct-19 12:38:26

Who is running this country? I don't know if anyone else has said it, but my answer is No One. We're floating around like a boat without a rudder.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 25-Oct-19 12:32:53

maddyone Totally agree, but it is mainly those who voted remain that do not want an election?

maddyone Fri 25-Oct-19 12:21:23

I don’t know why there’s all this to do about BJ being desperate to leave without a deal. He’s just presented a deal to Parliament. What part of that is too difficult to understand? It’s the remainers who are causing Parliament to be stymied. We need a General Election to resolve this. If as remainers claim, most people want to remain in the EU, then a party that will keep us in the EU will be elected, or at least a party who will give us another referendum. If on the other hand, most people want to leave the EU, they will return Johnson’s government. It’s really not difficult to understand this.

maryhoffman37 Fri 25-Oct-19 09:54:07

Bercow and Cummings are both leaving at the end of the month. People like Aaron Banks seem to be running the country. Poor us.

Davidhs Fri 25-Oct-19 08:30:03

Regardless of wether we like Bercow or not he is due to stand down at the end of the month, the mood parliament is in you can expect someone else of the same ilk to be elected. Or in the current circumstances Bercow may well be persuaded to stay on for a while.
The Tories seem to be determined almost desperate to provoke a no deal exit at any cost, I ask one question.

How much money do their city backers stand to loose if a deal is confirmed, sterling has already strengthened, the margin calls must be hurting already!.

Ginny42 Fri 25-Oct-19 00:04:21

You are quite wrong about Bercow Selsey99 and unnecessarily rude to me. He has a very wide knowledge of procedure in the HoC, but the clerks who occupy the seats directly in front of him are there to advise the speaker on procedural matters and you often see him conferring with them. They're hardly likely to all four get things wrong are they? When he is keeping the house in order he is doing his job. I can't think of another person who could have kept the House in order so successfully in the past 3 years.

The reason some MPs get so cross with him is precisely because he's sticking to the rules.

mcem Thu 24-Oct-19 23:34:53

selsey that, I'm sad to say, was a whole lot of unfounded and unjustified gibberish!

Urmstongran Thu 24-Oct-19 23:01:33

Thank God (if she exists). Love that after all this time the ‘right on’ saying is still around with the feministas Dinahmo - such a 70’s cliche!

Dinahmo Thu 24-Oct-19 22:21:19

Thank God (if she exists) for Bercow.

Now that he's no longer the power behind the throne Alistair Campbell comes over as a sensible man and no longer a bully.

varian Thu 24-Oct-19 19:05:53

Nor did he have the Russian connection

MaizieD Thu 24-Oct-19 18:54:50

Alistair Campbell didn't have the contempt for Parliament that Cummings has.

Urmstongran Thu 24-Oct-19 18:17:12

Alistair Campbell & Dominic Cummings. Peas in the same pod. The power behind ‘the throne’?

Callistemon Thu 24-Oct-19 18:01:14

I thought it was to my post of 17:57:20 maddyone which I thought was a fair enough response
grin

maddyone Thu 24-Oct-19 17:59:21

That was to Carly.

maddyone Thu 24-Oct-19 17:59:04

I’ve never heard such complete and utter twaddle.

Callistemon Thu 24-Oct-19 17:58:30

I can see them but can't hear them, railman

perhaps just as well.

maddyone Thu 24-Oct-19 17:58:01

Oh dear Carly, swallowed it hook, line and sinker haven’t you?

Callistemon Thu 24-Oct-19 17:57:20

I thought Bercow was following the rules, even if some of them are rather ancient.

I have visions of him poring through ancient books and scrolls every night, with Sally complaining that his dinner's getting cold and she feels neglected.

catta5 Thu 24-Oct-19 17:19:09

whoever is Pm will not be able to have any deal to enable us to leave the EU because the remainers will ensure we do not, so what the Pm says or does will be instantly rejected . When the Pm said i have a new deal that Eu has accepted before it had been shown or discussed the remainers said we will not accept it!!!.

CarlyD7 Thu 24-Oct-19 16:07:37

maddyone Yes, it's very possible that the Russians are directing what Boris is doing just as they are directing what Trump is doing in the USA (through the billions of $$ he borrowed from Russian banks when US banks refused to bail him out of impending bankrupcy yet again). Boris is a weak man with no morals that I've ever seen a trace of - could be bribery; could be blackmail; or simply the manipulation of his fragile toddler ego ("So you've always wanted to be Prime Minister? Then, just do as I say ... ")

Whitewavemark2 Thu 24-Oct-19 15:50:23

railman

Excellent!!

MaizieD Thu 24-Oct-19 15:45:09

Oh yes, please do, Selsey99.