Can anyone apart from the elite, say what they want from Brexit

GGMK3 You couldn’t be further off of the mark, we have a female member of staff going on maternity leave - 1 year full pay, have just given another member of staff whose early born GC “Grandparent leave” in full pay. We have a generous annual leave policy, and lots of “in-work” benefits that we pay for.

Business rates are ridiculous, we also have to pay for our rubbish to be collected on top.

As owners we pay our tax “up front” each year.

Our longest serving employees are 30,
26, and 20 years of service.

Typical remain voters bias to anyone in business that through hard work has achievements.

I think I was previewing and missed you post Grandad but we are saying much the same thing.

Well there we go. I now know why you vote to leave GG13. You will be one who benefits from the increased poverty for the many. As for Corporation Tax, you will probably get your wish made, I suspect, because it will increase your unearned income.

Whether they wish it or not the excuse will be readily available, we will be forced to lower Corporation Tax in order to compete in the rest of the world.

GracesGranMK3, I very much agree that it is the intention of the Tory and Brexit Parties to create a deregulated, low tax and wages Britain. The foregoing would have to come about if their view of the United Kingdom having any chance of economic survival following Brexit.

Should trade deals come about with nations that have low regulation built into their economies then Britain would have to be the same if we are to have any chance of equality in competition with their industries.

However, what seems to escape such Brexiteers would be that should we carry out deregulation then advanced economic nations and trading blocks will place high tariffs on British exports to them, or it could mean that a trade agreement with the European Union may never be signed at all.

That is what Jeremy Corbyn has been addressing in the past few days.

GGMK3 nobody has even muted zero corporation tax, but if it happens I will be ecstatic.

The intention of the elite Bexiteers would be what they see as an ultra-business-friendly environment, although this doesn't seem to include small business and hasn't for some years.

They intend to achieve this with low or zero corporation tax, low wages, weak trade unions, a remnant of current welfare provisions - already increasing those in poverty - and a significant temporary migrant ‘non-citizen’ workforce (around 30 per cent of the total workforce), largely without the protection of national labour laws or access to welfare provisions.

Could you plead tell me how that will improve the lives of people in this country, including I would guess, the majority if not all of us. If you are only improving th live of the 1% what is the point?

Please could somebody tell me.

I believe you may have made your post while I was dictating my own above. However, the area you speak on would I feel be under the jurisdiction of the Welsh Assembly.

I was in my post thinking in terms of what is under the jurisdiction of the Westminster and European Parliaments in regard to layers of government.

Pantglas2, you have spoken up thread in regard to "layers of government" and in that indicated you would wish to see at least some of those layers removed.

All I have requested in this thread would be that forum members with views such as yourself inform others in what areas you would wish to see the "axe" fall on such layers of government?

It is not a "trap door" question but a respectful request.

Frankly I thing all these bogy men are grossly over-rated. All our troubles are caused by bad government and incompetence.

Absolutely, MOnica.

I'll try not to demonise the people who voted for the dreadful governments of the last 10 years...

Ok grandad1943 let’s turn this around - where do you draw the line on these tiers of government? Shall we have a northern hemisphere senate next?

Then check out the Brexit humour thread where a far fetched intergalactic level has been introduced! Sounds ridiculous doesn’t it - but I remember when Wales had 8 counties then went to 22! With all the Financial, education, social services, highways, HR et cetera with their salaries/pensions/sick pay/annual leave.

It all costs money which I would prefer to be spent on raising the standard of living of the poorest in society.

They are so beige and boring and soggy.

I demonise Rich Tea.

How very unpatriotic of you, grapefruitpip

I’ve had three and a half years of this Brexit palaver, trying to keep the peace between remainer and brexiter friends and family, all thinking they’re in the right and t’other side needing to be shot for their myopia. Quite frankly, I couldn’t any longer, give a fig .....roll!

Brexiteers continuously speak on wishing to see "layers of government" removed. However, they never seem to be objective in precisely what bureaucracy should be included in their wishes.

Much original British legislation in areas such as employment rights, workplace safety and qualities etc has been embraced by the European Union and adopted into their EU Commission Directives which has been or is in the process of implementation by all member states.

So, perhaps those which have stated they wish to see "layers of government" removed please outline to other forum members what such layers they are thinking on for removal.

Otherwise, we are left to believe that this is just another element of the leavers Brexit utopian dream that in reality cannot ever exist.

I demonise Rich Tea.

I am fascinated how everyone feels a need to demonise another group to feel comfortable.

Leavers demonise EU immigrants, then the rest demonise all the billionaires. I am just waiting for someone to blame the Illuminati, Freemasons or Klu Klux Klan.

All believing in some kind of conspiracy as to why things happen.

Frankly I thing all these bogy men are grossly over-rated. All our troubles are caused by bad government and incompetence.

Well said GabriellaG54 - I think we need to be mindful of their difficulties in understanding someone else’s viewpoint however unreasonably held they believe it to be. Not everyone is able to acknowledge a different opinion from their own without feeling the need to attack it ad infinitum.

Whitewavemark2
Will knowing the answer give you peace of mind?
What will you gain from any answers?
Do you seek to have your mind changed or is it simply that you want to lock horns and reiterate that which has been reiterated to death by the remain faction?

You would not benefit from knowing, therefore I doubt any leaver would waste their or your time on a subject you reject out of hand before a word has been typed.

Waht worries me most about deals with the USA is the big American pharmas profiteering from the NHS.

If by "the elite" you mean the billionaires who pull all the strings, the reason they do want brexit is - firstly to avoid EU tax regulations and secondly to profit from disaster capitalism.

They keep their money offshore then if brexit is not stopped, our economy goes belly-up and they swoop in ;like vultures to buy up the assets of asll the businesses that go bust on the cheep. Win-win for the brexit elites.

Oh dear...

I’ve posted before about layers of government costing money and it’s quintuplication where I live due to Town Council, Borough Council, Welsh Senedd/assembly, Westminster and EU. I’ve yet to receive a logical explanation of why all five are necessary or beneficial.

I’d like to get rid of 2/3 layers - any ones, take your pick! And I’d hazard a guess that we’d hardly miss whatever was binned.

My understanding is that the elite don't want Brexit because it will derail their gravy train. As to peoples' indifference, your contention is easily disproved by the numbers voting.
My own view, for what it is worth, is that from Parish Councils to the EU, each layer of government takes a slice of our taxes. Less money for the things that matter to us ordinary mortals, schools, hospitals, social care etc.
Please note that Scotland, Wales, & N Ireland already pay for an extra layer. Scots in addition already pay an extra 1p on Inco Tax. The Northern Ireland Assembly, suspended for 2 years, presumably still pay Members & Staff salaries, after losing millions on the 'Ash for Cash' scandal. Perhaps there are savings when the lights were switched off.
A sobering tax fact is that despite our sending around a net £350 million a month to the EU, the total tax take in the UK is at 35%, one of the lowest in Europe. The French pay 57%!!!

Battenberg is contentious.

And certainly no brussels sprouts with your turkey

is that sighs of relief I hear?