should Corbyn and Watson both resign - or just lose the election?

Agree with what you said trisher

So let's ditch the old established bloke in favour of what? A younger more professional politician? I think a lot of people have had enough of them. Look at the track record on every main political party. Labour had Tony Blair, the Tories had Cameron and the Lib Dems Clegg. They've all moved on to pastures new with more money, leaving a mess behind them. Corbyn isn't doing it as a stepping stone to a more lucrative career he's doing it because he's a socialist and he cares about people. As for all the remarks about his looks, he's old. It's ageism to criticise hm for that. If it were anyone else GNers would be shouting out about it. As it is it seems anything can be said about him. It is weird that older people can criticise someone for being old!

It's time for real change

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Vote Labour and Corbyn

They didn’t want to vote in the last election ?

growstuff
I am astonished that at least 90,000 under 34 year olds were not registered to vote and have only just woken up to the fact that they can

Unless it is actually that number of 18-21 year olds?

Ah, sweet, MaizieD, but too young to vote
Is he a grandad yet?
If he resigned he could have more time on his hands and could join GN.

Re the OP
No, I think that that neither Corbyn nor Watson are a good bet but it's too late to do anything about it.
Would Corbyn resign anyway?

Corbyn seemed to be very popular with the younger generation

middle-aged white malenesss

I suppose Starmer is middle-aged although he seems relatively young to me.

Not McDonnell - it would just be a continuation of elderly male stale and he is too controversial to appeal to those who might consider voting Labour and would be the ones to swing the vote.

ahahahaha

it is such a pity that people so rarely read a title and discuss its content and just shoot from the hip willy nilly. A pity

Just as well the autocorrect didn’t omit “hip”Jura .

But thousands won't win an election. Labour needs millions of voters - in the right places. I'm sorry to say that I don't think I've ever come across anybody who would vote for Labour now who's voted for somebody else in the past. I've come across plenty who wouldn't vote for Corbyn. Maybe there will be enough people who've never voted before to save the day.

Momentum, raised £100000 in 12 hours since the election announcement.

That represents thousands of people.

The Tories can raise that in an instant from just one person. That person hopes for tax cuts and the ability to increase their wealth.

That £100000 represents people hopes and aspiration for a fairer and kinder society.

Wow! Just seen that over £90,000 under 34 year olds registered to vote on Tuesday alone. If registrations carry on at this rate, they could have quite an influence on Labour's overall total. It depends, of course, where they are. If they're from people in places which are already strongholds for any party, they won't make much difference. They're an unknown for the moment.

As mentioned above, many younger people seem to find the grandad look appealing, so who knows?

And BTW, saying spoken like a real idiot is not a good look either.

I have to admit that I sometimes get distracted by her eyebrows.

I'm tempted to email her ?

Grapefruitpip, you are absolutely right. Whether we like it or not, visuals do matter. We only have to think how Ed Milliband for example was brought down. On this front, the Tories (who I do not support!) are much more savvy than the other parties, and Johnson is the past master at working the visuals. Corbyn, on the other hand, however sensibly he speaks, will always make older people think of Steptoe. And it is not a good look!

BTW My personal feeling is that if Starmer were Labour leader that Labour would romp home. I suspect he will be one day.

Nothing jura. I was attempting to be ironic. Sorry!

I agree with Grapefruit too. Appearance does matter (unfortunately). In 2010, Gordon Brown gave the impression of being a grumpy old bear (even though he wasn't), compared with the much younger Cameron and Clegg.

I don't really think Corbyn's appearance and age count against him that much. I certainly know some young Labour supporters who find the grandad image quite appealing. He certainly doesn't fit the mould of ex-SPADs with sharp suits and smart haircuts.

it is such a pity that people so rarely read a title and discuss its content and just shoot from the hip willy nilly. A pity.

I mean, what does Bailey's make up or eyebrow shape has anything to do with title of thread, let alone anything else?!?

Long Bailey has strange eyebrows and wears too much make up, but the reason I don't think much of her is that she really doesn't come over as the sharpest knife in the box and doesn't have a "human touch".

I understand what you meant grapefruit

Spoken like a real idiot does jar slightly. Being a bit of a pendant can I suggest ‘spoken like a true idiot’ kind of scans better?

#justsaying

I await an apology before reporting. Fed up with it really.