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Whitewavemark2 Fri 01-Nov-19 07:57:19

Here are what Labour plans to do to help you decide whether Labour is right for you.

I will start to list their plans as they come out and add to them as they are announced.

Once the manifesto is published I will outline it in full for your perusal.

We will start with Brexit - just to get it out if the way.

Brexit

Negotiate a new deal within 3 months. (remember Labour has been talking to Brussels for 3 years)

People’s vote by May/June.

This vote will be legally binding. No ifs or buts.

Health

The NHS will never be up for sale

Universal Free prescriptions Not so expensive as it sounds. Remember approximately 90% of prescriptions are free at the point of use.

Social Welfare
free personal care for the elderly a very popular move. Funding will be announced next week.

Education.
end of university tuition fees - another popular move, that will please my grandson. He has opted to live at home and commute in order to keep his debt to a minimum. At the moment he will leave with at least £40K debt.

Tax

super rich avoiders/evaders will be targeted to ensure that they pay their fair share just as everyone else does

Consideration is being given to a financial transaction tax

Shorting, by hedge fund managers has meant that they are betting against our country and making millions - disaster capitalism. Labour proposes that these transactions should have a tax attached to them.

Employment

zero hours contracts many employers are getting vastly wealthy at their workers expense who are being exploited and effectively being paid less than the legal minimum wage level. Labour therefore proposes-

guaranteed minimum number of hours of work a week this will allow zero hours contract workers a semblance of normality and stability, and give them the chance to plan their lives.

minimum wage £10

Environment and Global Warming

Children are now growing up in our cities with reduced lung capacity due to the pollution emanating from various sources.

green new deal Labour proposes to set a target of net zero carbon by the 2030’s

Following the earthquakes
Labour will * immediately ban fracking*

Housing

Landlords are going to be encouraged to ensure there is more affordable housing. Councils and town planners are to be given more enforceable powers.

Slum landlords will be banned.

crystaltipps Tue 05-Nov-19 09:40:37

I expect taxi drivers love being called “the natives”, and Edinburgh is not typical of the rest of Scotland, any more than London taxi drivers are reorientation of anyone in the rest of the country. Most of “the natives” I meet in Argyll are in favour of independence- what does that prove?

MaizieD Tue 05-Nov-19 09:39:50

Starmer has been all over breakfast news channels "3 months to negotiate a better deal will be easy" and "a referendum within 6 months", but no actual "facts"!!!!

Have you any idea how ironic this sounds, GG13 when Leavers are usually completely dismissive of 'facts'. hmm

What I find horrifying is that we could end up with Diane Abbot as Home Secretary!!!!!!

Perhaps you'd like to tell us a few facts about why you think Abbott would be a poor Home Secretary rather than just posting slightly hysterical nothings.

Grandad1943 Tue 05-Nov-19 09:39:02

Did it not occur to you GrannyGravy13 that those taxi drivers on hearing your "southern accent" and looking for a good renumeration tip may have been telling you exactly what they felt you would wish to here. ?

I have always found that London taxi drivers especially are very accomplished in that respect.

grapefruitpip Tue 05-Nov-19 09:38:00

I have a job which involves using taxis. My regular driver tells me he works 7 days a week, to put food on the table and the family is struggling to afford shoes for the children.

MaizieD Tue 05-Nov-19 09:34:27

Sturgeon is blinded by her own ambition GG13 and doesn’t see what being out of the Union would really do to Scotland.

And what would it do, lemon? Let's have some evidence here.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 05-Nov-19 09:33:18

They were all delightful, and on hearing our "softie southern accents" initiated Brexit & Boris conversations. Not at all arbitrary, extremely informative and proud of Edinburgh Grandad1943 we were just two happy chatty couples who enjoy interacting with "the natives" grin

Grandad1943 Tue 05-Nov-19 09:28:12

Yes I am sure that Edinburgh taxi drivers inform everyone who gets in their cab exactly what their political views are.

A certain way to ensure you receive no tips I would have thought. ??

lemongrove Tue 05-Nov-19 09:22:32

That’s good GG13 ......I guess the Scots Nats just shout the loudest.

grapefruitpip Tue 05-Nov-19 09:21:04

Ah well, there you go then.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 05-Nov-19 09:15:54

lemongrove we were in Edinburgh a few weeks ago and used taxis at least twice sometimes four times a day, not one of them supported Sturgeon or independance.

Grandad1943 Tue 05-Nov-19 09:15:48

I find it horrifying that Jacob Reece Mogg could be Home Secretary if the Tories are returned to government.

Those now trying to live on food banks and fifty pounds per week will probably find themselves living on even less. Or, will the Tories through the likes of Reece Mogg decide it is more benevolent to reopen the Work Houses?

lemongrove Tue 05-Nov-19 09:10:09

Sturgeon is blinded by her own ambition GG13 and doesn’t see what being out of the Union would really do to Scotland.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 05-Nov-19 09:01:22

Starmer has been all over breakfast news channels "3 months to negotiate a better deal will be easy" and "a referendum within 6 months", but no actual "facts"!!!!

What I find horrifying is that we could end up with Diane Abbot as Home Secretary!!!!!!

I watched Nicola Sturgeon on GMB and she didn't seem capable of grasping that if the UK leave the EU with no customs alinement and consequently Scotland votes for independence and "re-joins" the EU that there would have to be a hard border between U.K. and Scotland.

jura2 Tue 05-Nov-19 08:56:42

hopefully Tories won't either, as we more or less know what they will do sad

lemongrove Tue 05-Nov-19 08:52:49

Hopefully Labour won’t get into power so we won’t need to worry about what they will or won’t do.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 05-Nov-19 08:51:52

What facts are they?

lemongrove Tue 05-Nov-19 08:50:50

No porkies from me, I just saw a clip with Starmer saying how easy a deal would be, and quick apparently!
I have also heard individual LP MP’s saying what they would like.
And.......they said just the other day, that they won’t say which way they campaign ( in a new referendum) until they are in power.So, they may negotiate another deal and then in a referendum, campaign to Remain.
So WWM2 before you accuse me of lying I suggest you check your own facts.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 05-Nov-19 08:40:31

lemon you are beginning to follow your leader and tell porkies.

Sky News
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"We will secure the best leave deal we can and we will put that in a referendum up against remain."

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Labour’s plans for #Brexit.

lemongrove Tue 05-Nov-19 08:37:32

Lyndyloo From what I have seen of the Labour promises
About Brexit, they have no idea about what to do!
Keir Starmer says another deal will ‘be easy’ ( yes, right!) and Tom Watson wants us to have another referendum, and somebody else wants this thing and some want to revoke article 50.They won’t even say what they will do ( what they would campaign for) with another referendum, so your guess is as good as mine what they would do.They say they will tell us ( how good of them) after the election if they get into power!!!

GracesGranMK3 Tue 05-Nov-19 07:38:51

Lyndiloo it would be good, if on Gransnet at least, we could try and stick to the truth over this this election.

That being the case could you please reference where there has been an official Labour announcement that the party will vote against the renegotiated deal.

It is my purely personal view - not to be quoted as LP policy - that the vote, which would be secret, would be for each according to their conscience, hopefully for a final say on leaving or remaining.

It is noticeable that there is still no cohesive view in the country as to what actually constitutes "leave".

crystaltipps Tue 05-Nov-19 07:31:35

We are stuffed with a Tory government, so what’s new?

Grandad1943 Tue 05-Nov-19 07:25:47

Lyndiloo Quote [ If Labour get in, we are all stuffed!] End Quote

Lyndiloo, in regard to your above post, many feel that they individually have been stuffed under this ERG/Tory government along with this nation as a whole.

A report out today states that due to many finding problems in Benefit payments, families living on fifty pounds per week are being referred to food banks.

That is Tory Briain today.

Along with the above, we have this whole Brexit mess entirely created in an attempt to solve internal problems with the right wing in the Tory Party.

In that, the ERG/Tory party have stuffed this whole nation.

Link to the families living on fifty pounds per week can be found here:-

aboutmanchester.co.uk/uk-households-using-food-banks-are-living-on-just-50-a-week-report-finds/

Lyndiloo Tue 05-Nov-19 03:24:57

I haven't read all of these posts (too many).

Whitewave So Labour promises to 'Negotiate a new deal within 3 months' - and then NOT VOTE FOR IT!

How bizarre is that? I feel as if I'm going mad!

If Labour get in, we are all stuffed!

crystaltipps Tue 05-Nov-19 03:11:41

Most of the super wealthy like Dyson, Lewis Hamilton etc live abroad anyway, or have accountants helping them avoid paying tax. All those multi million properties in London are owned by Russians, Chinese etc anyway - shouldn’t we have a tax on them?

growstuff Mon 04-Nov-19 21:24:02

Even if the rich do leave, so what? Does it really matter if they live abroad?

Either they already have their wealth stashed abroad or it's here in the UK and they'll find it difficult to take it with them.

It's classic scaremongering.