Considering voting Labour?

You will never convince people like Urmstongran who simply dismiss these policies with a ‘no thanks’

Keith Vaz, the slimy Labour MP. Why has Mr Vaz lasted this long in public life? He resigned as a minister in 2001, was suspended in 2002, named in the 2009 expenses scandal and now, even with this disgrace, Labour MPs express sorrow rather than anger. Shocking.

And a prominent rabbi who advised the Jewish people not to vote Labour. Must be a good reason for a good man to say that.

Labour is trying to pivot back to the Robin Hood themes of yesteryear: steal from the rich to pay for the welfare poor.

This time however, the Tories have a leader of sufficient intellectual heft to point out the terrible flaws in the Left’s logic.

Boris defended capitalism even during the financial crisis and has signalled that he is willing to do so again, couched in the argument that it is only by growing the economy and supporting aspiration that Britain can afford to invest in public services.

Vote Labour? Not a chance.

Take your pick, it's either Corbyn or Boris/Trump----with Trump pulling Boris's strings.

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Which policies of envy?

I can’t quite see what you are getting at*

WWM2, I hope you don't mind me abbreviating your name.

Labour seem to hate anyone who is wealthy. If they're not paying enough tax, I agree, they should do.

But many wealthy people DO pay tax and an awful lot of it and we need these people. They provide jobs apart from anything else.

Yesterday, a prominent Corbyn supporter said that Jeremy would ban billionaires from living here!

Not sure how he'd manage that but its a constant attack on people who've done well for themselves.

I know this is the Torygraph but business leaders are not happy with how he attacks them consistently

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/10/31/business-leaders-hit-back-jeremy-corbyn-campaign-speech-attack/

Well, they talk on here about Labour spending, but fail to mention the huge spending plans that were pledged by the Tory Party in the run up to the start of this election.

Those plans were completely uncosted and Johnson and his cronies in government ensured that no debate could be held on them in the closing days of this parliament.

Nine years of austerity to be followed by ten years of spend, spend, spend, do they think we are all fools.

Tony Blair went to war illegally.

I can remember the three day weeks, postal strikes, power cuts and rubbish not being collected when I was a teenager, all under a Labour Government.

Poor mini Trump definitely had the legs swept from under him by the Orange Man.

This will be really useful Whitewave. Now to go off and see the threads about the other parties. So far all I know about the Liberals is they will stop Brexit and the Tories 'promises' have yet to have truth unravelled from fiction. Who knew that 40 actually means six when applied to hospital building?

But mostly think of our children and grandchildren and gr grandchildren. It's their future.

That is exactly what I'm doing, Ginny.

And that's why I could never vote for Corbyn

Oh, I forgot the Tories are also pledging tax cuts on top of all the huge spending plans.

That will only be for the already wealthy of course.

See you didn’t answer my question Urm just ranted on playing a blame game. Nice!

Yes they are fantastic polices. Thank you Whitewavemark2 and just what is needed right now.

Their manifesto polices are fully costed. Bring it on!

I will vote for Corbyn Labour government.

Well Oops if this lot get in again and sell of the NHS I hope your children and grandchildren have private health insurance or are extremely healthy.

Sell off!

Oh, I forgot the Tories are also pledging tax cuts on top of all the huge spending plans.

Don't forget what Gordon Brown did. Abolishing the 10p tax rate was hardly beneficial to the wealthy.

Well Oops if this lot get in again and sell of the NHS I hope your children and grandchildren have private health insurance or are extremely healthy.

I'm not actually claiming that I want 'this lot' back in again.

It's just my point of view.

With regard to the NHS, I don't believe that it will be sold off.

However, as an ex NHS worker I would love to see some changes implemented.

opsminty, Gordon Brown and Tony Blaire were not true Labour leaders. What the Labour Party has now is Labour in it's true traditions and belief.

The top 1% who pay 27% of all taxes collected in the U.K. will just up and move their money elsewhere, which will cause job losses.

Then Labour will come for the next tier of tax payers, those who have worked their fingers to the bone, building up businesses, local employers, shop keepers in your High Street who are making a profitable living and employing local people, giving back to the communities they live in.

Labour Party is definitely the politics of envy.

oopsminty

I think your post is a bit if a generalisation tbh.

Labour as do I and millions of other people in the U.K. think that everyone should pay their tax that is due.

Right amount at the right time.

I suspect that is exactly what 99% of GN posters do.

But some of those vastly wealthy people, whose wealth has been generated in the U.K. don’t either pay the right amount or at the right time.

That isn’t fair. They clearly have a stake in the U.K. with all the benefits of things like the rule of law, protection by the security services, good infrastructure etc, but are not willing to pay the correct tax.

I can give you one example.

Jim Ratcliffe.

The third-richest person in the U.K. whose wealth has been made from petrochemicals.

His company is responsible for one third of the industrial greenhouse gas emissions in Scotland.

He is exploring the possibility of fracking.

He is in the process of moving to Monaco, to avoid paying tax in the U.K.

Tax which could be used to limit the damage caused by his companies greenhouse emissions.

We know that children’s lung capacities who are growing up in cities are being severely limited by greenhouse emissions.

This isn’t right.

This far left Labour Party is definitely the politics of envy.

gg13

I’ve just read your post
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Can you supply some evidence of your assertion that Labour is going to tax the small business much more.

PS Ratcliffe is moving out regardless of the government. So that thesis doesn’t hold up I’m afraid.

Unless you can supply evidence of your assertion annie I will assume it is an opinion only, and therefore can be ignored.

I would argue that Labour stands for the politics of fairness

Lazy posting repeating a mantra dreamt up by the Tories and repeated ad nauseous.

It's the politics of helping the many the poor caused by Tory austerity. With the very richest paying their fair share what is envious about that?

WWMK2, If you had read my post correctly I said Labour will come for the next level of tax payers, i.e. not the super rich but those who are lucky enough to "be profitable" and make a profit nowhere did I mention "small businesses".

All businesses must be profitable or they cease to exist.

So which tier /company size are you talking about gg13

That is not the way to canvas for votes Whitewave ,