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Whitewavemark2 Fri 01-Nov-19 07:57:19

Here are what Labour plans to do to help you decide whether Labour is right for you.

I will start to list their plans as they come out and add to them as they are announced.

Once the manifesto is published I will outline it in full for your perusal.

We will start with Brexit - just to get it out if the way.

Brexit

Negotiate a new deal within 3 months. (remember Labour has been talking to Brussels for 3 years)

People’s vote by May/June.

This vote will be legally binding. No ifs or buts.

Health

The NHS will never be up for sale

Universal Free prescriptions Not so expensive as it sounds. Remember approximately 90% of prescriptions are free at the point of use.

Social Welfare
free personal care for the elderly a very popular move. Funding will be announced next week.

Education.
end of university tuition fees - another popular move, that will please my grandson. He has opted to live at home and commute in order to keep his debt to a minimum. At the moment he will leave with at least £40K debt.

Tax

super rich avoiders/evaders will be targeted to ensure that they pay their fair share just as everyone else does

Consideration is being given to a financial transaction tax

Shorting, by hedge fund managers has meant that they are betting against our country and making millions - disaster capitalism. Labour proposes that these transactions should have a tax attached to them.

Employment

zero hours contracts many employers are getting vastly wealthy at their workers expense who are being exploited and effectively being paid less than the legal minimum wage level. Labour therefore proposes-

guaranteed minimum number of hours of work a week this will allow zero hours contract workers a semblance of normality and stability, and give them the chance to plan their lives.

minimum wage £10

Environment and Global Warming

Children are now growing up in our cities with reduced lung capacity due to the pollution emanating from various sources.

green new deal Labour proposes to set a target of net zero carbon by the 2030’s

Following the earthquakes
Labour will * immediately ban fracking*

Housing

Landlords are going to be encouraged to ensure there is more affordable housing. Councils and town planners are to be given more enforceable powers.

Slum landlords will be banned.

notanan2 Sat 02-Nov-19 12:56:27

Landlords are going to be encouraged to ensure there is more affordable housing. Councils and town planners are to be given more enforceable powers.

Slum landlords will be banned.

Ah yes, they will universally role out a sort of landlord licencing program which has been trialed by some councils and worked so well....

OH WAIT IT DIDNT!
In councils with landlord licencing zones, the better smaller portfolio landlords were forced to sell up (as they ran on such low profit margins anyway)... did this imcrease housing stock for first time buyers? NO! They were snapped up by developers and he "bad" big portfolio dodgy landlords, who can afford to absorb licence fees and legal fees and know tricks to work around the licencing.

Meaning a total monopoly in the area. One or two big profit driven landlord firms owning ALL the stock. Less choice and worse service and HIGHER RENTS for renters.

notanan2 Sat 02-Nov-19 12:50:19

guaranteed minimum number of hours of work a week this will allow zero hours contract workers a semblance of normality and stability, and give them the chance to plan their lives.

Zero contracts are not "bad"
Zero contracts replacing permanant contracts are a big problem.
ABUSE of zero hour contracts is the problem.

Banning them outright and fully replacing them with minimum hours contracts with leave a lot of mothers without the option of "keeping their hand in" now and then during work gaps with small children. And will FLOOR the NHS who are a huge user of correctly done zero hours contracts.

ayse Sat 02-Nov-19 12:49:16

New nanny, the example of the gas was in the 1960s when no such regulation existed.

Our most recent rent because of widespread flooding in the area means you take what is offered or live in a damp, stinking property. This last property was rented via a letting agent, it had a gas certificate but didn’t mean the heating was working!

Fortunately we are now back home and warm and dry. I’m so pleased newnanny that you look after both your property and your tenants. Many landlords are not like you and leave people living in misery. Oh and I don’t think compulsory sales of private property is necessary. I never agreed with the cheap sale of council housing so IMO this will help neither yourself, your tenants not the housing shortage.

Grandad1943. I think we should have a massive social housing build programme. I’d go as far as saying that prefabs as built post WW2 would be an improvement on temporary accommodation or homelessness.

notanan2 Sat 02-Nov-19 12:46:23

*Education.
end of university tuition fees -*
The current system of tuition fees was drawn up and published under LABOUR just before a GA. Got them all ready and Tories/Lib dems just adopted THEIR plans.
Now theyre pretending it was nothing to do with them to win votes. Hmm

newnanny Sat 02-Nov-19 12:35:38

I have 6 btl properties and would live in any one of them myself. They are maintained to a high standard and any reported issues dealt with immediately. I would also be happy for any council to do an inspection of any of them as I know they would all pass any inspection. If a property is not nice when you look around why would you move into it? Look for a nicer property.

newnanny Sat 02-Nov-19 12:32:58

ayse all btl properties must have a valid gas certificate. If tis unfit for human hey are sub standard why would you agree to rent it and move in? You can get a council inspection if it is unfit for human habitation as the one you are staying in sounds like it is. Move somewhere nicer.

newnanny Sat 02-Nov-19 12:29:59

McDonnell is going to bring in legislation to make all land lords sell their properties to tenants at below market value if they have lived in the property for more than 4 years and property will be discounted more the longer tenants have lived there. A bit like Thatchers Right to Buy Scheme. Problem with this legislation he wants to bring in is that it does not punish slum Land Lords as no one want to stay long in slum properties. It hits good Land Lords as tenants stay longer in good quality and properly maintained homes. In the past we have had tenants who stayed for over eight years until they saved up enough for their own deposit. We have been invited to tenants weddings and we always buy any babies a M&S gift card if they are born in any of our houses but we don't want to sell our houses and definitely not for discounted rates. We son't want to sell our Royal Mail shares either. Corbyn is saying we will be forced to sell them to Labour government at under market rates so he can re-nationalise. This is politics of envy, stealing from some to give to others.

Grandad1943 Sat 02-Nov-19 12:28:15

In regards to the shortfalls of private rented housing, the only way those problems will be solved is to launch a large-scale council house building program. That will have to be carried out in much the same way that the 1945 Labour government of Clement Attlee undertook such building to ensure all families had a safe secure home no matter what their income.

Such a program would undermine and eventually collapse the private letting market which in the eyes of many would be no bad thing.

ayse Sat 02-Nov-19 12:26:20

Private landlords. I went to a rent tribunal in the late 1960s. We had one storage heater and the place was full of beetles. The gas geyser was condemned by the Gas Board as it was deemed unsafe as it was Edwardian. I think rent tribunals should be reinstated to set a fair rent for an approved property.

More recently we were flooded out and had to find private rented for a period of 6 months. It was unclean, none of the provided appliances worked and freezing cold. Fortunately the insurance was paying the rent.

newnanny Sat 02-Nov-19 12:18:47

The big problem with Labours plans on Brexit are they are not allowing us to leave. Labour say they will agree a realistic leave option which will include staying in Single Market, and staying in Customs Union. That is not leaving EU as we would not be able to do trade deals with other countries not aligned to EU. Or we could remain. So that is remain or remain then! That won't wash with many traditional Labour voters. My FiL has voted Labour for all of his life, and he has voted in every election he was eligible to vote in, but says he can't vote for this. He is considering voting Brexit Party if they field a candidate in his constituency. If not he says he won't vote for first time in his life. He is 83.

ayse Sat 02-Nov-19 12:18:16

Kittylester, page 1. I don’t remember the labour government of post war Britain. They were the only truly left wing government, introducing our much loved NHS, amongst other wonderful social policies.

trisher Sat 02-Nov-19 12:02:00

Davidhs If that were true people would still be living in unsafe properties. There are regulations about safety standards for rented properties no reason there shouldn't be other standards.

Davidhs Sat 02-Nov-19 11:56:02

Private landlords, you cannot make them do anything, the only way a future government can improve standards is to close down the bad ones or take them over, there should be a minimum standard.

If they were serious that is what would happen, it would take many billions to do it and not even Corbyn has the guts to do that.

trisher Sat 02-Nov-19 11:39:18

Urmstongran if you are working on a zero hours contract and you are given no work, you still have to pay the rent and buy food for your children. You may go to a food bank but your eldest needs new shoes. Someone offers you the chance to make enough for the shoes just by having sex with a couple of men. Chances are you would do it. It's not a question of deciding to take up sex work. It's a question of providing for your family (Have you seen I Daniel Blake?)

Urmstongran Sat 02-Nov-19 11:02:45

some parents have been forced into sex work and destitution with the UC situation

What strange lifestyle CHOICES some people make pttr

Sorry, hyperbolic nonsense.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 02-Nov-19 10:43:11

Blimey poor old Tories. The ship is clearly sinking as so many rats are leaving.

Calendargirl Sat 02-Nov-19 10:36:38

A ship only as good as its captain.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 02-Nov-19 10:34:32

Rachael Swindon
@Rachael_Swindon

Tonight’s thing that’s bugging me.

Lifelong Labour voters that say they can’t vote Labour “because of Corbyn”...

Do you stop supporting your football teams when you don’t like the manager? ?

Witzend Fri 01-Nov-19 11:52:01

Landlords are going to be encouraged? With what, tax breaks that are very unfair to owner occupiers, which even the Tories have finally been doing away with?

paintingthetownred Fri 01-Nov-19 11:34:17

Hello there, well done you for posting this thread.
Yes, had already decided Corbyn has my vote.

Don't know if you mentioned it, but the scrapping of Universal Credit belongs to the commitments.

It has caused untold suffering. In Jeremy's constituency alone 40 of kids live in poverty. and some parents have been forced into sex work and destitution with the UC situation.

I feel the Tories have definitely treated many many millions as less than human. Compassion needs to return to our society. It has been absent for far too long.

all best
painting

Violettham Fri 01-Nov-19 11:28:11

I believe I and some of my friends go back much further than most of the messages here. At one time or another I have voted for all the three main parties. As we very oldies spent a lot of our childhood mainly in London during WW2 there is no way I could vote for Labour while Corbyn is there as I remember when he wanted to get rid of some of our defences No way would I vote for someone who wanted me to sit defenceless and wait to be finished off. I know he has supposedly changed this view but he can always change it again. I am not Jewish but think the views of some of the Labour Party are racist.

Calendargirl Fri 01-Nov-19 11:09:15

Well, six weeks today we shall all know who will be living in number 10!

luluaugust Fri 01-Nov-19 10:36:30

I am interested to know how they will make private Landlords provide affordable rents when there is a housing shortage. Surely they will just sell off their properties and it will be even harder to find somewhere to rent. We have free prescriptions anyway. I'm not sure about the 10 hour minimum work contracts either surely that will then become the norm with loads of people having only 10 hours?

GrannyGravy13 Fri 01-Nov-19 10:33:23

GGMK3 "You may not be aware of this Annie - I see you seem to be losing your memory a little."

This is beneath you GGMK3

Nonnie Fri 01-Nov-19 10:32:10

If we want to stay in the EU we should vote for whichever party will win against a Tory in our constituency rather than for policies. We all know they are trying to outbid each other and that not everything they promise will happen. They can be voted out in just over 4 years but Brexit is forever. Vote tactically.