Considering voting Tory?

Whatever you think of his views on eugenics this is the sort of thing he believes and has written about.

* 1998, The Telegraph: (Commenting on the resignation of Peter Mandelson from the Labour Party) "[It will lead to blubbing from] tank-topped bumboys at the Ministry of Sound" nightclub."

* 2001, "Friends, Voters, Countrymen": "If gay marriage was OK – and I was uncertain on the issue – then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men, or indeed three men and a dog."

* 2005, The Telegraph: "[Voters on] run-down estates [support Labour in] the deluded hope of bigger hand-outs. [These] bottom fifth [of Britons] supplies us with the chavs, the losers, the burglars, the drug addicts and the 70,000 people who are lost in our prisons and learning nothing except how to become more effective criminals. [Labour MPs want to ban hitting children because of their] revulsion when they see a chav belting her kids in the supermarket."

* 2005, The Spectator: [Children of single mothers are] ill-raised, ignorant, aggressive and illegitimate. [Their fathers are too] feeble to take control of [their] woman."

* 2013, Centre for Policy Studies: "Whatever you may think of the value of IQ tests, it is surely relevant to a conversation about inequality that as many as 16 per cent of our species have an IQ below 85 while about 2 per cent have an IQ above 130... I don't believe that economic equality is possible [because of] human beings who are far from equal in raw ability."

I definitely hear the beat of the far-right drums when I read that and we know what goes with that sort of thinking.

This does not mean, nor does BJ suggest it means, that people should not be given equal opportunities as nearly as is possible.

He doesn't? You could have fooled me.

Islamaphobia race hatred Islamaphobia and race hatred

GG13 you are becoming the epitome of why people think so badly Tory supporters. You are getting very boring.

You, it appears would be happy with a party full of Islamaphobia race hatred. To each his own.

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I don't think that's eugenic theory, ww. Eugenics relates to (supposed or real) genetic improvement. What Johnson says there is just plain fact: that people are not all equal as relates to raw ability (intelligence, muscle power, etc, etc) is plain fact.

This does not mean, nor does BJ suggest it means, that people should not be given equal opportunities as nearly as is possible.

Ex Tory minister Nicky Morgan says 'We should be concerned about Russian interference'

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So, Nicky, can you ask BJ to publish the damning report he has supressed for weeks?

The way you could understand ordinary folk voting Tory is to try reading The Express, The Sun, The Telegraph and the Daily Mail

There is no way the Tories are any good for this country....
by the time most people have been reduced to misery the UK will be finished.
We can't pull together anymore. we are broken,
The Tory party only represent the rich, not the middle classes anymore. Just the wealthy.

We will have to pay more for necessary utilities, water and food and health care.
People who work get paid less and work on zero hour contracts.

I cannot understand how anyone who isn't really well off can defend them?

Johnson eugenic theory

Boris Johnson states the UK public are "Far from equal in raw ability, if not in spiritual worth". He also says "It is surely relevant, to a conversation about equality, that as many of 16% of our species have an IQ below 85" and "Some measurement of inequality is essential".

Tories: “We will replace the 20000 police cut by the Tories”

“We will replace all the nurses cut by the Tories”

“We will replace the playing fields sold off by the Tories”

There’s no area where Tories won't promise to repair the damage done by Tories.

I feel I have said all I want to on that topic but I do want people to know what others think of Tories, particularly Mr Johnson so I will repeat the link in case it gets lost in the gossip research.

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I don't expect you to GG13. I just don't believe that either the three families you think you know about constituting a sample for the whole country nor do I think unless you have PoA for each of them you can actually know all about them.

I am generally quite an open person but if I were to meet nasty, gossipy old ladies who had an opinion an everything and facts on nothing, and felt they were better than others, I think I would be inclined to mislead them. In some circumstances this may actually have happened.

GGMK3 as you are aware this is an “open forum” and I am not going to divulge these families personal details.

You can doubt all you like, but I know it is a fact as do others.

For the record I am neither a gossip or a liar.

GGMK3 I know of at least 3 families who have made the choice to live of benefits, not gossip, fact.

I'm afraid so far it's only gossip. Have you seen the forms showing the reasons why they are claiming? Have you checked their bank accounts as the people running the benefits are able to do? Why and how do you know their business in such detail that you can sware they are conning the system? Gossip. Nothing more or less.

Anyone rather than Comrade Corbyn.

I wish I could write like this. It is exactly what I think about a Decade of despicable Tories.

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I think it is considered cruel to let people starve Opal even if you don't go round saying "I would rather let people starve than allow one person get a penny more in benefit than I consider them to deserve."

I'm the daughter of Holocaust survivors from Nazi Germany and also a Tory councillor.

I, and many of my Jewish residents, are petrified at the thought of the current Labour leader going anywhere near No 10. Their actions belie their public narrative.

I've been canvassing solidly for the last 5 weeks and many previous Labour voters are lending us their vote. Many Asian voters are also incensed over Labour's stance on Kashmir and are coming over.

I actually feel sorry for these decent Labour party voters who don't recognise the current party. The libDems are probably closer to what the Labour party was before Corbyn and his stormtroopers took over, deselecting perfectly decent MPs and councillors.

GGMK3 I know of at least 3 families who have made the choice to live of benefits, not gossip, fact.

So why are you so sure they are a lifestyle choice and who are you to decide that Opal? As far as I am aware government figures tell us that very few defraud the benefits system. We are still on the "holier than thou" track, aren't we? I do wonder which bit of the gutter press has persuaded you that the poor are living high on the hog on benefits.

But then, you will never do any research and actually make it your duty to know before you accuse, will you? What we are getting from various posts is just nasty, cruel gossip with not a bit of research to back it up.

Benefits should be a safety net, not a lifestyle choice - Absolutely agree GG13, sums it up in a nutshell.

You have been brainwashed Opal. No, GGMK3, you simply refuse to accept that anyone who thinks differently to you may have a valid opinion. Cruelty will cure poverty? Don't think I've said that anywhere on any thread - I would never condone "cruelty" to anyone. But I don't call challenging those who deliberately, unjustifiably and dishonestly shirk work and expect to live on benefits "cruel", just reasonable and sensible.

Thanks Baggs, they can try to shout me down, but that's not gonna happen.

You will be shouted down, opal, by people who cannot see things from any perspective but their own. Nuances aren't allowed on this kind of thread. Hey ho.

What a selfish explanation both towards "people" and Opal. Opal has one view, shared by others, the "people" you talk about also come from a huge group who share a different view. The only time I have noticed people getting particularly annoyed is if someone expects their 'opinion' to be taken as fact.

Children are now being taught the difference between opinion and fact and how to back a fact with evidence. I wish they would teach some of their grandparents.

My parents and my husband's parents both came from very large families and went on to have large families themselves. I think they would have given anything to to have had access to free contraception in those days. There was no safety net of benefits available. We seem to have lost self-respect and there is an attitude of "rights". It's a very sad world.