Farage

Grandad43.....really! England played badly, it won’t go against Johnson and the government anymore than it would go against Corbyn.
What a daft statement you made.

Farage and Trump are people with political views that a lot of people support. They're allowed to talk to whomever will listen to them via whatever channels that are available. As are people who are at the opposite end of the political spectrum from them. This is what freedom is about.

No-platforming people with whose ideas you disagree doesn't get rid of those ideas. Surely it's better to have them out in the open?

As Andrew Doyle says: "No matter how much you might disagree with what someone says, there's always something to learn."

Sneering and smearing is shallow and pointless.

Well, England have just lost in the rugby world cup. So, that will very much go against Johnson and his government. A deep depression has just descended over the whole nation

Sadly, that's not fake news ?

A good question

Prof. Colin Talbot
@colinrtalbot
· Nov 1
A question about the Farage/Trump interview on @LBC was why did it happen at all?

An election has been called.

Why is the leader of one Party still being given personal platform on a radio station?

In fact why was he ever allowed to have the privilege once he’d set up the BXP?

My post was in reply to lemons

Yes of course it’s a smear, I didn’t pretend it was anything else the word rumour tells you that.

I can’t abide either the man and especially his dangerous and racist politics.

We have not been in such danger from a political movement like this since the thirties. And I’m NOT talking about Brexit!!

I make absolutely no apology for anything I say about him.

growstuff

More fake news!
Who is Peter Lansdown?

If you mean Stephen Lansdown then he is no longer connected to Hargreaves Lansdown, he does live in the Channel Islands so presumably does not pay tax in the UK? However, he has ploughed much of his fortune back into Bristol Sport and other sporting clubs.

Perhaps you meant Peter Hargreaves, also no longer part of Hargreaves Lansdown, who lives in England? It's rather inflammatory to accuse someone of not paying their due tax without any evidence to prove that.

I agree with Baggs - well said. We could all make up anything and post but what is the point. They are all politicians and all can make money because they create the rules and know how to bend them!
I really hate the language of an election.

are you defending Farage yet again Baggs

Are you getting confused Labaik?

I don't think I've known of Baggs defending any politician, only defending fairness.

But, of course, I do not read all the political threads!

That is not a defence of Farage btw and could in no way be interpreted as such.

Gone are the days when the super rich lived in the UK and owned a factory or two in the UK and paid UK taxes. The UK is reliant on foreign investment to keep everything ticking over. It doesn't really matter where Peter Lansdown lives or where Hargreaves Lansdown is based because you can bet anything you like that he doesn't pay more UK tax than he absolutely has to.

WWM2 your OP isn’t really about the politics of Farage but a sort of activist smear.Since you are already copying out the LP’s election promises on GN and promoting them shamelessly on this forum, I think you are going way beyond
‘Opinions’.However, I think this fervour will put off more voters than it attracts.

Good posts Baggs and also Eloethan I happen to agree with both of you.

60 years ago when I was a child my old Dad used to say... just watch the wealthy move their money if the LP win the election.

Well I can see that they generate wealth in their companies and create employment, but they can also move their manufacturing to suit as well, i.e. Dyson. A staunch Brexiter who has moved his outfit to Singapore. What price their loyalty to the British workforce then?

The super-rich have already set things in motion should the LP win. According to an article in the Guardian today, some have drawn up documentation which is awaiting their signature to transfer their wealth on December 13th.

It seems some, like Peter Hargreaves of Hargreaves Lansdown says that his family won't be leaving, he loves it here, but some will be going.

www.theguardian.com/news/2019/nov/02/super-rich-leave-uk-labour-election-win-jeremy-corbyn-wealth-taxes

Is that what it's all about then? If the super-rich pull out the economy plummets, so we have to tolerate Tory party machinations in order to keep the wealthy on board?

Spot on David! That's why the fat cats want Brexit in the first place.

I’m surprised nobody has figured out the private limited company issue.

It’s tax avoidance, company tax is much less than personal tax, many celebrities use that loophole, also if your company goes bust and cannot pay debts you can walk away.

On that subject the new EU tax evasion rules come into force on 1st Jan, that’s why an election has been called so if they win the Tories can back out of any deal, all the fat cats have a great deal of money offshore

It will be interesting to see what damage Farage causes the Tory party, as make no mistake he can and has.

50-60% of UKIP votes went to the Tories in the 2017 election, so the Tories stand to lose quite a lot of votes. In fact more than Labour, who has factored in these votes already.

The majority of Labour voters in constituents that voted leave were in fact remain supporters, so little can be achieved from those constituencies if Farage is targeting Labour.

Labour leave voters are much fewer in number than people think.

Undoubtedly Johnson has far more to lose than Labour if Farage hits the election trail.

Joy! oh joy bring it on I say,!

This post is pure bias in case baggs feels the need to point it out as such?

Apologies Baggs- damned autocorrect!

I agree Bragg’s with your last sentence! And crystaltipps comments about Trump - he seems to only talk in headlines and sound bites. I think it’s because he’s a business man not a politician- should’ve stuck to what he was good at!

Let's be sensible. There is a general election coming up. There is going to be a lot of name-calling and blacking of reputations in a bid to influence the voting public. Let's just keep an open mind, shall we?

Pointing out the weakness in what poses as an argument is not a defence. The OP was simply attempting to smear. One doesn't have to like Farage to notice this. I know little about Private Limited Companies (next to nothing, in fact) but since they are overseen by Companies House they seem to be legitimate, just as Public Limited Companies are.

As I seem to have said before, I don't listen to Farage. At least, I soon switch him off if I come upon some political harangue of his online. I do this with all politicians actually. I guess I just don't like the way politicians speak. They present things in too black and white and simplistic a way.

I would point out the political smeariness of any OP aimed at any politician if I noticed it. I can't think of any politician whom I'd actively "defend" or whom I actually like. At the moment I find all of them pretty much equally exasperating.

Trump’s vocabulary is that of a three year old, which unfortunately appeals to the many inarticulate and uneducated in this country and the US.

I think Obama was completely out of order to comment on the EU referendum. But this live radio discussion between Farage and Trump takes political interference to a whole new level.

Maybe some British people will have a positive take on this but there will also be many who won't be at all impressed with Trump, not least because he appears unable to put forward a rational, intelligible argument on any topic.

It was a long time ago so I can't unearth it. But it confused me that you seemed to be defending him even though you hadn't seen him on tv [something that leaves a lot of us in a state of nausea...].

Once a political thread gets too deep (long) I don't bother, ww. Too much effort required to read them. This one happened to be shallow enough for me to cope with at the point at which I jumped in ?

I find it astonishing that people think there is an equivalence between O’s comments and the 30 minute lie fest on national radio from Trump and his adoring acolyte. But I’ve put all this on another thread where it’s all been discussed already - plus a rather stomach churning cartoon for your delight.